Phoenix Suns season review: The storm after the calm

In 2012-13, the Phoenix Suns got it so wrong, they actually got it right. That is of course, if the next move is to actually rebuild.

Over the previous two seasons, team management assembled rosters that were fairly entertaining and more or less competitive for the No. 8 spot in the Western Conference. Both playoff attempts ultimately fell short and the draft lottery ensued, but in the process the organization’s ability to retool from the ground up was essentially compromised.

The same could not be said for the 2012-13 campaign.

Despite the departures of Steve Nash and Grant Hill, team president Lon Babby and general manager Lance Blanks gave the typical song and dance and publicly stated that they thought the Suns would be competitive yet again in 2012-13.

The duo put together a mixed bag of young talent, unknown parts and a hint of veteran leadership, but the result turned out to be disastrous mess — one that was fairly evident early on. There was no chemistry, no identity, no chance for a coach/general manager to keep his job.

The Suns limped out to an 7-11 start over the first month of the season. And though they had notable comeback wins of 19 and 26 points respectively, when they lost, they really lost. Five of their first 10 losses came by double-digits, three of which by more than 20 points.

It didn’t get better for Alvin Gentry and Co. over the next two months. As the Suns coach juggled starting rotations and battled the enigma that is/was Michael Beasley, his team continued to struggle. From Nov. 28 to Gentry’s final game on Jan. 7, Phoenix went 6-19 and had losing streaks of five, six and seven games apiece.

Pre-All-Star break record: 17-36 (at 13th place in the Western Conference)

Post-All-Star break record: 8-21

Overall record:  25-57 (14th in the Western Conference)

The “turning” point

Following Gentry’s departure, the Suns opted to bypass veteran assistants Elston Turner and Dan Majerle and instead chose developmental coach Lindsey Hunter to be the team’s interim head coach. The move ruffled the feathers of some — including Elston and Majerle, who both resigned from their posts — and signaled what the 2012-13 season had become: an evaluation for the future. Veterans took a back seat to younger guys. History was in jeopardy of being made nightly and not for the right reasons. And a town that had grown accustomed to playoff fever was reduced to tracking the Lakers and Suns’ positions in the draft lottery.

“It was a disappointing season for us,” Jared Dudley said. “We had nine new guys. There were ups and downs. Obviously, we lost Alvin [Gentry] during mid-season and brought in Lindsey [Hunter]. Any time you have nine new guys and are changing systems right and left, it’s going to be difficult.”

Under Hunter, the team managed to pull off notable wins against the Grizzlies, Hawks, Lakers (twice), Rockets (twice) and Spurs, but losing was the predominant theme down the stretch.  Hunter went 12-29 as the interim head coach, but as was the case with Gentry, when the Suns lost they really lost. Twenty of Phoenix’s 29 losses under Hunter were by double-digits, 11 by more than 20 points.

“For me,  being six, seven years in, two championships, and then you know, having to sit on the bench and watch us consistently lose and stuff like that…it was tough,” Shannon Brown said.  “I learned a lot about myself, you know, that I can pretty much play and make it through anything at this point.”

Directionally, the decision to place the tag on Hunter didn’t create a turn so much as reaffirm a downward movement. Sure, Wesley Johnson and Kendall Marshall were given the opportunity to prove they could play in the NBA, but at the same time Hunter’s “I’ll play the hardest (…and sometimes youngest) workers” mentality seemed to create a divide between himself and the veteran players.

“We switched starting lineups a lot, so it was just difficult to define our roles,” Jared Dudley said. “That’s something that not only he will improve on, I think we need to improve on as an organization, where you got to define roles: Who’s our scorers? What’s your role off the bench? When are you going to come in? All the good teams have that.”

His approach also seemed to create a similar divide between the younger players and the veteran players.

“I’ve got to tell you, when I was making it into the league I was listening. I was listening, and I had a lot of great veterans, I had a lot of great strong-minded people on the team,” Marcin Gortat said.  “If I tried to act like a smartass and tried to pretend like I know everything and I understand everything, I’d get slapped in the head automatically. I grew up in a great system (in Orlando), and these young guys – there’s a lot of young guys — they just think they’re better than they really are.”

In the end, that pretty much sums up the Suns’ 25-57 season (worst since 1968-69). Not only did Babby and Blanks create a roster of players that couldn’t win, they placed an unproven coach in charge, who only fueled an ideological schism in the locker room. Some (Goran Dragic, Luis Scola, Jared Dudley and P.J. Tucker) just wanted to win, some (Marcin Gortat, Shannon Brown, Michael Beasley) wanted to play/get their touches and some (Marcus and Markieff Morris, Kendall Marshall and Wesley Johnson) were still figuring out what they really wanted.

If it looks like rock bottom and smells like rock bottom, well, it’s probably rock bottom.

The X-Factor

Michael Beasley. His first year and purple and orange illustrated that when he’s on (really on, not just in garbage minutes), he can be a legitimate offensive weapon. The problem in 2012-13, was that Beasley regressed from the player two other teams already didn’t want.

He began the year as the “go-to” option and by Dec. 6 that plan was scrapped. On Dec. 8, he came off the bench and scored 21 points on an efficient 7-of-11 shooting. But in the next seven games, he combined to score just 35 points. That’s sort of how Michael Beasley’s season went, because that’s sort of how Michael Beasley operates.

Whether he’s listening to others or not, his season suggested that while he has the talent, he may not have the makeup to be a successful player in the NBA. He’s had better years in his career than his first in Phoenix — that’s for sure — but there’s something to be said for a guy’s whose most consistent trait is his level of inconsistency.

While  Phoenix went 2-7 in the nine games he scored 20 or more points, he’ll likely continue to be the X-Factor as long as he’s on the roster. Maybe, he can be changed. Maybe, he can’t. Either way, something tells me the Suns have 12 million reasons to find out if they can be that team that pulls the trick over the course of the next two years.


As if there was anybody else. It has to be Goran Dragic. In his first full season as a starting point guard, the Dragon led the Suns in points (14.7), assists (7.4) and steals (1.6) per game. Granted 14.7 points per game is not exactly earth-shattering — in fact its the second-lowest average to lead a team outside of Nikola Vucevic’s 13.1 points per game for Orlando — but given the fact he didn’t exactly have any other scoring options around him, Dragic more than earned the honor.

Add in his 14 double-digit assist games after the All-Star break, and it’s clear Dragic is on the fringe of the top 10 point guards list. He might not be there yet and his ceiling might not be much higher, but give him some options to work with and he’ll be a 16-8 guy.

In fact, to some extent, he said as much himself.

“I think we need a 2 or 3, so we have an additional ball handler,” Dragic said. “A guy who can look for a shot himself but also for the team. If you saw, I was the only guy who was really a ball handler and could make plays for others.”


Questions Left to Be Answered

  • Following Monday’s news of the team’s decision to part ways with Lance Blanks, who will be the next general manager/will he have a role in the Lindsey Hunter decision?
  • The Suns have never owned the No. 1 pick but have an 11.9 percent to win it in the May 21 Draft Lottery. Will Phoenix finally get some luck?
  • Speaking of the draft, in a down year, will the Suns look for a scoring threat from the perimeter or a low-post presence?
  • Will the Suns re-sign Wesley Johnson this summer after his impressive two-month stretch? If they don’t, does the team think about somehow keeping a discontent Shannon Brown around?
  • They might be two years removed from being first-round picks, but do the Suns benefit from having the Morris twins around moving forward?

Final numbers

Points per game: 95.1 (25th in the NBA)

Opponent points per game: 101.6 (26th in the NBA)

Offensive rating: 101.2  (29th in the NBA)

Defensive rating: 108.1 (23rd in the NBA)

Pace: 93.4 (Ninth in the NBA)

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  • Scott

    If the Suns FO during the Sarver ownership period had a 1970s theme song, it might be “Couldn’t Get It Right.”

    There were key failures thoughout: the failure to draft Iguodala, other lost or wasted picks, failure to develop young talent or bench talent, a few bad trades, and then in recent years just straight out utter failure at pretty much everything.

    Now’s the time to starting laying a new foundation with a new GM, new coach, and new roster.

  • foreveris2long

    With a trend toward young talent, the Suns badly need a coach who will lead, relate and get the player’s respect. This is in addition to being good with Xs and Os and requiring good defense.

  • Scott

    I know I’ve mentioned Barkley as an option for GM, but I’d like to clarify that’s not because I think he’s the best possible option, but because I believe he’d like the challenge of the job and it would probably be good for the Suns, at least in the short term. And if he was awful at it, he wouldn’t stick around and try to get contract after contract.

    But aside from Barkley I have no idea who else the Suns could get. The right move to make was years ago now, when instead of Blanks the Suns should have hired Pritchard, who had just left Portland. Now Pritchard is with Indiana, and Indiana’s rebuilt (49 wins) and in the playoffs.

  • DBreezy

    Gambo mentioned Wes Wilcox of the Hawks and Ryan McDonaugh of the Celts as people they should look at FWIW Scott. I like the way you phrased it when you said you don’t know who they can get. I doubt Barkley is interested in the job under the current parameters.

    There are some excellent audio interviews posted over at with Chambers and Jeff Van Gundy. Chambers’ was the more directly stinging of the two, but both dealt with the organizations lack of credibility and the perception that creates. I thought it was nice that there was one national voice and one local voice who is around the team a lot. AzCentral has a video with Coop and Bickley that hits on it too.

    A lot of the talk surrounding Grant Hill as a potential candidate focuses on how important he would be from a credibility and image standpoint. I think the team will struggle again to find a guy willing to be a glorified scout. I think they would struggle even more to find someone to take on the exact same responsibilities, but as an assistant to someone completely new like Hill. Seems like the perfect role for an up and coming intern type like Griffin was, but I suppose the Suns don’t have anyone in the cupboard.

    Really though it illustrates where the team is at. There is a disconnect between the front office, the fans, the players, and even the coaches. Babby is the public face of things, but it doesn’t seem like he’s made much headway there inside or outside of the organization. Thing is that is something that you would think a former agent would be good at. Seems like a tall order to ask the new GM to be that guy with how they’re structuring things, but that’s where we’re at.

  • hawki

    The continuing saga of Livio Jean-Charles…
    How tall is he ?

    FWIW….SB Nation headlines says “6’11″ French forward scored 27 pts to lead World Team to victory”.

    Later in the article they say “…Hoop Summit alone could have made the 6’11″ Jean-Charles a first round pick”.
    Jean-Charles looked clearly taller than Julius Randle who is listed at 6’9″.
    Anyways….I like Jean-Charles as a backup 4 or even center in a fast, small-ball lineup.
    Don’t like him nearly as much if he’s a 3-4.

    Reminds me of last year when no one knew how old Bismack Biyombo was.
    Break out the tape measure !

  • Forever is2long

    So much for Hunter’s future with the Suns. It is being reported Mike Brown turned down the Suns after Gentry was fired and again this month. You know we are bad when someone wants to coach in Cleveland instead of climate friendly Phoenix. I guess he looked at the front office then the Suns talent pool and said, no way TWICE.

  • john


    There could be a lot more to it than just simply saying no to say no.

    Also, I wouldn’t want Mike Brown to be the coach any more than I’d want my grandma who’s never play a sport in her life to be the coach. The only coach in history who could stop LeBron James would be a great thing to have on your resume if LeBron James wasn’t on your team.

  • DBreezy

    While I’m no Mike Brown fan, to be fair the biggest thing that stopped him in CLE was the front office, part of which we have here now. They failed miserably at adding solid options around Lebron in an era of a weakened East, but with strong teams at the top in Detroit, Boston, and Orlando at different times during Lebron’s tenure in CLE.

    That said I agree with both John and Foreveris. Mike Brown turning down the Suns twice absolutely says something about the roster and organization, but it also reflects the wise choice of a man who knows that he needs to choose his next job carefully. Ask Flip Saunders or Avery Johnson about that. Ask Mike D’Antoni who is getting skewered daily despite a 28-12 second half with a team that has never been healthy or mentally right.

    I’m sure Brown has his reasons for passing, but I actually would like to hear his insight on a few things. The type of team Blanks looked like he wanted here seems similar to what they had in CLE, minus Lebron. I know Brown is a defensive minded guy, but I’d like to hear what he thinks went wrong there and contrast that with his experience with the more offensive minded/defensively challenged Lakers(news flash ESPN the Lakers have sucked on D for 3 seasons now, it’s not just D’Antoni) The Suns seemed to be searching for an organizational direction and such input would be interesting to hear if nothing else.

  • Forever is2long

    I have never been a Mike Brown fan so I am glad he turned the Suns down. However we are really bad when a coach who has been fired wants Cleveland over Phoenix. Cleveland?

  • Mel.

    Yeah: Cleveland. Unlike our situation in the Valley, they’ve got a franchise linchpin in Kyrie Irving, a few solid pieces and a HUGE chip on their shoulder in terms of pushing things forward in the post-LBJ years.

    Barring the fact that our weather’s nicer, I don’t see a single reason why any self-respecting head coach looks at that disparity and figures that the Suns can provide for a better return on their investment.

  • Ty-Sun

    Mike Brown probably didn’t want the Suns job anyway but he was also already planning to move back to the east coast to be closer to his son, Elijah, who signed a letter of intent to play basketball at Butler U. in Indianapolis. I’ve also heard that the 76ers are interested in him too.

  • john

    I like how everyone is throwing out the idea that it’s all about respect (and self-respect) for these big name coaches. As if Mike Brown wouldn’t coach the Suns if they offered him $10M. Heck, I think you could even get Phil Jackson to think about coming out of retirement to PHX if you wrote him a check for $20M and bought him a new high chair.

    EVERYONE has their price.

  • Ty-Sun

    And Sarver is NOT the owner willing to pay them “their price”.

  • Scott

    I think you can read too much into Mike Brown turning the Suns down. There are various possible reasons. Maybe he prefers coaching in Cleveland because he moved his family there and they want to stay there. Sure, he went to LA, but how do you turn down the Lakers and the chance to make big money, be on the big stage, and run a championship team?

    Likewise, maybe Nate McMillan isn’t coaching in the NBA right now because he’s attached to the northwest. If that’s the case, and if the Kings move to Seattle, they could very well be looking to hire Nate (aka “Mr. Sonic”), partly for his ability and partly in an attempt to reconnect with their fans … and he might be looking forward to that opportunity as well.

    @DBreezy -

    Wes and Ryan … I don’t know who those guys are or what they can do. GM is probably one of the hardest jobs for fans to kibitz on, since we only know (and only to a small degree) the guys who are already in the GM seat.

    I can say that intuitively I did not like any of the guys the Suns interviewed the last time around, and I thought they picked the person who seemed to me to be – even at the time – the most disastrous of the bunch. I was even wondering back then, “Are they TRYING to be bad?”

    @hawki -

    Thanks for the continued research on Livio’s height. I agree … get out the tape! :)

    Obviously a guy who is 6′ 11″ with a 7′ 2″ wingspan – good stats for a center – who can play SF is an interesting specimen. That kind of guy will move up into the first round based on his unusual size and athleticism, supported by his showing at the Summit.

    He’s got size, length, and lateral quickness (I assume, since he’s that big and playing SF), so what remains to check out are his motor, IQ, and other traits, like work ethic and shooting mechanics. Since he doesn’t appear to take or make shots from midrange or the perimeter, I have to wonder about the latter. The fact that he shoots 54% from FT makes me think he’s Bo Outlaw bad at shooting, yet his number of FT attempts are low, and his 3 pt shooting is a stellar 42% on also nearly non-existant volume. So we need some additional way of evaluating his shooting, as in this case the stats are so scant they’re useless.

  • john

    I’m still not completely convinced of that. He paid Terry Porter quite a bit (and was still paying him quite a bit this season). This year alone, the Suns had somewhere in the neighborhood of $6M-$7M dedicated to head coaches. IIRC, that’s more (or as much) as any coach in the NBA. I think Pops and Rivers make about $7M, but I’m admittedly not sure of what D’Antoni’s new deal with the Lakers is worth. Other than that, the vast majority of coaches are under $5M.

    Not only that, but Sarver has never proven to be cheap when it comes to player salaries either. I’m just not sure at all where the idea that Sarver doesn’t like to open his wallet comes from. The only legitimate complaint I have about Sarver is the WAY he spends his money is stupid, in my opinion (but, it’s also his right, so I can’t complain too much). Selling picks to acquire pricier veterans in an attempt to “win now,” while it was a boneheaded move by Amar’e away from bringing a banner to Phoenix, ended up completely backfiring and causing everyone in the sporting world to hate his guts. He should have hedged his bets at least slightly, rather than going all in on “win now” theory. He has repeatedly gone after mediocre talent in free agency at prices that are presumably well above market value (Childress, Warrick, and Beasley couldn’t have been receiving much interest from other teams at the price points the Suns paid). He has been reluctant to trade the assets he has in hand (Amar’e, Nash).

    He has been gun-shy when he should have pulled the trigger and he has been a cold-blooded killer when he should have been more prudent…

    But in no instance has he been “cheap.” The one thing Sarver has consistently done has been spend. Anyone who says otherwise is simply misinformed or a liar.

  • Scott

    @john -

    (In before Tony …)

    I think that’s a fair assessment. Sarver does not always spend his money well, but he spends it.

    Dudley has a contract with good value, as does Dragic. So there might be some hope that Babby is learning to get the pricing right.

    As for Grant Hill being cheesed off about not getting paid enough or being let go … look at what he’s done in LA this year. Nothing to brag about, to be sure.

    I’m not against Hill at all, but sometimes the person closest to the matter is the least objective, and I think that could apply here.

    If Hill retires, I hope the Suns can find a spot for him. And if he still wants to play … well, at this point I think the Suns are obligated to give as many spots as possible to young developing guys, because the roster is full of crepes (pardon my French) and the Suns need to discover and grow some young talent. Even if Hill was willing to pay to play, I don’t think the Suns should suit him up.

  • Ty-Sun

    Yes, Sarver isn’t “cheap” in dealing with individual players/coaches, but he seems to avoid the luxury tax like the plague. That’s probably gotten him the “cheap” label by fans more than anything.

    But in my previous post I wasn’t really insinuating that Sarver was too cheap to pay either Brown or Jackson what they were worth but that I doubt very seriously that he would grossly overpay either of them (or any other coach) to lure them to Phoenix. And considering the state that the Suns are in right now, I think that’s probably the only way the Suns could get a “big name” head coach to take the job.

    I also just read that Charlotte fired Dunlap. Six head coaching changes in the last seven seasons.

  • Forever is2long

    Ty, Good insight on other motivating factors that could influence a decision by Brown. I know we are all speculating as to why Brown does not want to coach the Suns but we cannot deny that Cleveland has a more talented roster as does everyone else in the NBA and the Suns front office has done little if anything to convince a prospective coach we are in the process of building a winner in the desert.

  • john

    To be fair to you, Ty-Sun, I wasn’t trying to lash out at you (re-reading it definitely seems to me like I was). I’ve just been reading comments from the likes of Woj and JVG and other talking heads that have it out for Sarver all day long, constantly hearing about how “cheap” he is. I finally snapped.

  • Ty-Sun

    Well, Phoenix has a lot of problems. I think Hunter has the right idea for the team moving forward but doesn’t have the respect of many/most of the players.

    Gortat’s statement that “…these young guys – there’s a lot of young guys — they just think they’re better than they really are” is possibly true. But he’s one of the people who should be slapping them in the head to bring them back to reality. Hunter might actually get more respect if he was still a veteran player instead of a rookie coach.

    I’m not sure if the Suns have drafted badly or just developed young players badly for the past few years. Earl Clark has turned into a valuable contributor in LA (and to some extent in Orlando) but he rarely got off the end of the bench in Phoenix. Dragic really only blossomed after he was traded to Houston. Hell, even Steve Nash didn’t become STEVE NASH until he was traded to Dallas.

    Moving forward, the Suns need a head coach that both vets and rookies will respect. I think that they also need a strong veteran leader. The youth movement is fine but, even if they have to overpay someone, a strong, vocal vet would probably be a bargain as a FA acquisition (or through a trade) to help motivate and bring the younger players into line.

  • Scott

    I don’t think we should overplay the idea that Earl Clark was good in LA. Sometimes he had it, other times he didn’t. He was mainly just better, at times, in LA than the consistently awful he was while in Phoenix.

    If Clark was really lottery pick quality, he should be more consistently clicking by now. If he was available for the Suns to take at $2m a year, I’m not sure I’d want him. From what I’ve seen, he’s got a low IQ and variable motor.

    As for Dragic, I know people are probably sick of hearing me say it, but he was sabotaged by Gentry in his final year with the Suns. Nobody – not Brooks, not Dowdell, not even Nash – was able to make more of the 2nd unit that year than Dragic did.

    When he went to Houston, Dragic always had decent combinations of players to work with; they executed. McHale didn’t hang him out to dry.

  • Tony

    “…[B]ut Sarver has never proven to be cheap when it comes to player salaries either. I’m just not sure at all where the idea that Sarver doesn’t like to open his wallet comes from.” “….[C]onstantly hearing about how “cheap” {Sarver} is. I finally snapped.”

    The above two statements epitomize what’s wrong with the Suns organization in that not only are they utterly misguided, but they are also suggestive of someone living in an alternative universe, in which ignorance takes precedent over knowledge. But should we really expect anything different from either the Suns FO or the author of these ludicrous statements? For instance, both have consistently demonstrated their repugnance towards accepting the veracity of facts that prove certain indisputable truths, i.e., that Sarver is one of the worst owners in the NBA. If, and I suspect this is still true, Sarver continues refusing to acknowledge his complicity in tearing down a once-elite franchise, then the Suns have virtually no chance to become an elite team again because he will continue to make the same mistakes over and over again.

  • Forever is2long

    Scott I would take Clark for $2m/yr in a heart beat because he is long, athletic, can defend 3s or 4s and has a decent perimeter game. The Suns do not have anyone on their roster who can do that. I love guys who can defend and can keep opponents honest when he has the ball.

  • Ty-Sun

    Hmmm… it seems that Brown has agreed to a 4 year, $20 million deal to coach Cleveland again.

    As for Earl Clark, I said he turned into “a valuable contributor” in LA, not an all-star or anything near that. In Phoenix he was a bench warmer who only got into game during garbage time. At this point in his career he’s playing better than Beasley (EC – PER 12.47, MB – PER 10.91) . Beasley has had every opportunity to prove himself but Clark hasn’t. All I’m saying is that the Suns don’t seem to have put much effort into developing young players and that has to end.

  • john


    I’m proud of you for correctly spelling “epitomize.” Your grammar (use of commas and conjunctions, for instance) could still use a little bit of work in that first sentence, however. Also, carefully consider your spelling and word usage. “Alternate” universe (not alternative) and “precedence” (not precedent) are a couple of examples of the misuse of words spread throughout your comment.

    Overall, I’d give it a B+ for effort. Try to incorporate some alliteration and tighten up your use of gerunds. I’m not here to grade content, so I’ll withhold comment on that topic. We’ll meet again next week to discuss your progress. Good work. Keep it up.

  • john

    By the way, before you begin your counterargument on the semantics of “alternate” vs. “alternative” in reference to universes, please note that, regardless of your preference to the use of either of those words, “parallel” would be the “scientifically” (can we really call it a “science?”) correct term when preceding “universe.” “Alternative” would precede “reality.” I’ll avoid the details, as that level of physics is far beyond the realm of our studies. It’s best we just stick to the basics.

    How do you know life sucks on Planet Orange? When you’re still talking about Earl Clark in 2013. :)

  • Scott

    @forever -

    Well … the Suns do need help at SF; the athletic, long, defensive kind … but it’s hard to think Earl Clark has much of a future, and that’s why I’d hope to find a better option.

    That said, if the Suns make their trades, get their picks, and are looking for players to round out the roster and want to give a (cheap) chance to Clark, I’m okay with that.

    BTW, Clark’s PER is in the range of the Morris brothers.

  • Tony


    Haha! Don’t be too concerned, it took all of five minutes to thoroughly ridicule your silly assertions. In fact, it’s so easy to do so that I can work while simultaneously responding to your drivel. As far as precedent versus precedence is concerned, I admit I should have used “precedence,” but I was busy working and not too concerned with editing my reply.

    What’s really sad, however, is that your only counter-argument is to critique a couple of spelling/grammar errors rather than even attempt to present a reasonable rebuttal in support of your delusional claims.

    FYI, “parallel universe” is distinguishable from “alternate reality.” But it has been a long day and I don’t feel like explaining the conceptual difference to a knucklehead such as you.

  • john

    Woohoo, you spelled “drivel” correctly this time. I can see we’re making progress.

    I already said I’m not grading you based on the content of your arguments. That’s a pointless endeavor. The purpose of my teachings, rather, is to prepare you for the real world of jerks, imbeciles, losers, liars, and hypocrites. It doesn’t matter WHAT you say. The only thing that matters is HOW you say it.

    In reality, the true point is that if you throw a bunch of nonsense my way, just expect a bunch of good-humored (or perhaps just oddly humored?) nonsense in return. You’ll get no serious reply out of me.

  • Voqar

    Someone had to pay for the Beasley fail. Too bad it couldn’t have been Sarver.

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