O.J. Mayo signs with Dallas, Courtney Lee the next option?

Posted by on July 16th, 11:21 pm

Even before New Orleans officially matched the Suns’ offer sheet to Eric Gordon, the Suns set their sights on O.J. Mayo by bringing the free-agent shooting guard in for a visit on Friday.

Now it’s time to go to a Plan C after both Mayo himself and Mavs owner Mark Cuban tweeted that the former Grizzly has become a Maverick. ESPNDallas’s Jeff Caplan corroborated those tweets by reporting that Mayo and the Mavs have agreed on a multi-year deal, citing a source with knowledge of the negotiations.

I have not spent much time analyzing Dallas’ cap situation, but Caplan reported the Mavs had $4 mil of cap space to offer. Even if this ends up being a sign-and-trade with Memphis to get Mayo more money, this move is surprising considering Dallas’ widely known desire to sign one-year deals to keep their books as clear as possible for another run at a superstar free agent next summer.

Gambo had reported that Mayo wanted at least $8 million from the Suns so it certainly feels like this must be more than a straight signing into cap space if Caplan’s figures are correct. The Suns were very wise to pass on Mayo at that $8 mil price as I have been worried about a deal for him clogging the Suns’ cap with no true star players.

With Mayo off the board, I assume the Suns will be spending some time Tuesday speaking with Courtney Lee’s agent. Although the Suns would become Houston Rockets West with such a signing, Lee is the best young shooting guard available by far.

The 26-year-old is known as a quality defender and he has hit 40 percent of his treys in three of his four NBA seasons.

Obviously Lee is more role player than star, but he would be a real nice fit for this Suns team if the contract numbers are right, especially since he is already used to playing with the team’s new point guard and power forward.

It’s kind of funny that Lee is the Suns’ best option at this point because the Rockets renounced his restricted rights largely to free up as much cap space as possible for a major move but also because they drafted shooting guard Jeremy Lamb. If Houston had not moved one spot ahead of the Suns to take Lamb, perhaps he would be providing wing depth for Phoenix and the Suns would have no need for Lee.

As things stand now, the Suns only have one natural wing on their roster in Jared Dudley. Surely Michael Beasley will be a small forward on this team considering the team’s glut of power forwards, but they really need to sign at least one and probably two wings to round out the roster.

By my math, the Suns have about $44.5 million in committed salaries and thus another $13.5 million left to spend on the free agent market after the Scola/Childress swap. Now this number could be a bit off depending on whether Scola’s contract will start at $4.1 million and whether Dragic and Beasley start where I project them to, but in any case the Suns have a nice helping of change left to spend.

The past few days, I have been a proponent of front loading a deal for a shooting guard to preserve future cap space, but after reading up on Larry Coon’s Salary Cap FAQ I realized this isn’t really possible to a degree that would make it useful. The Suns could offer the same 4.5 percent decrease that they can offer as an increase to their other free agents, but even then starting Lee at say $9 million would result in paying him $8.6 million a season over three years, which means that the high first-year salary would only lead to slightly lower but still way too high second- and third-year salaries.

You may remember that crazy Nick Collison deal from a few years back in which OKC frontloaded his extension to save future cap space, but not only was that done under the old CBA it was also an extension for a player already on the roster and it was done in the form of a signing bonus involving room the Thunder had to spare under the cap. I do not believe the Suns could do a deal like that in unrestricted free agency, but in any case it seems extremely unlikely that it would actually happen.

In an ideal world I would like the Suns to keep as much of that approximately $13.5 mil of cap space dry for next summer when combined with Hakim Warrick’s team option that will be declined and Bassy Telfair’s expiring deal, they can once again be major players on the open market.

Since they so desperately need a wing who can play major minutes this season it makes tons of sense to offer Lee more money than anybody else will pay on a one-year deal (like $8 or 9 mil) and then try to get Lopez to sign for the qualifying offer of $4 mil. Then the Suns could sign another wing like Michael Redd for the $2.575 room mid-level exception.

Or if Lopez finds a better offer, perhaps pay another wing his aforementioned salary slot and find a backup center for the room mid-level.

If Lee is Plan C for the Suns, then apparently Shannon Brown is Plan D, as it has been reported that the team is still talking to him. I prefer Redd to Brown and I vastly prefer Lee to either if that’s the choice, but if the Suns do go for Redd or Brown it’s essential they only sign them for only one year (Brown wants a multi-year deal).

The Suns are almost too deep at power forward and point guard, fine at center with Marcin Gortat likely to play heavy minutes and Channing Frye lurking as a backup even if Lopez doesn’t return but terribly thin at the wings.

It’s obvious where the Suns must spend their remaining free-agent dollars, so now we will see whether they can reach common ground with Lee or circle back around to their former wings, Brown and Redd.

As much as I prefer Lee, it does not make sense to tie up too many future assets on him if he won’t take a one-year deal.

How Lee played with his former Rockets teammates

According to the NBA’s stats tool, the Rockets outscored opponents by 3.0 points per 100 possessions with both Scola and Lee on the floor compared to 0.6 with Scola but no Lee. Similarly, the Rockets with Dragic and Lee outscored the opposition by 2.9 per 100 (including a solid 101.8 defensive rating) and were 0.9 per 100 better with just Dragic but no Lee. Overall the Rockets outscored opponents by 0.6 points per 100 on the season.

Both Scola (46.5 percent compared to 51.4) and Dragic (44.9 percent compared to 49.2) shot much worse with Lee on the floor than when he sat, which is strange since he is a floor-spacing three-point shooter.

Michael Schwartz founded ValleyoftheSuns in October 2008 and is the owner/editor emeritus of the site. He is currently working toward his MBA in sports business at San Diego State University.

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150 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Shane // Jul 16, 2012 at 11:34 pm

    Here is hoping we get Lee for a reasonable price.

  • 2 Russell // Jul 16, 2012 at 11:47 pm

    2 years 8.5 million or 3 years/12.5 million sound fair to me. Dudley has 4 years 17mil on his deal. Lee and Dudley are about the same production vise. So 4-4.25mil per season sounds fair.

  • 3 A-ROCK // Jul 16, 2012 at 11:50 pm

    What about Micheal Red? Will he be a Sun?

  • 4 Roger // Jul 16, 2012 at 11:53 pm

    C Lee made under 3.5m last season so I don’t understand your suggestion of 8-9m for one season? I don’t think Babby will waste his cap on a guy who can’t create his own shot. Why not save your cap by signing Redd or even Randy Foye and then patiently wait for an opportunity at the Feb trading deadline. I don’t think Shannon Brown is in the cards at all i.e. there is no plan D for him.

  • 5 Michael Schwartz // Jul 17, 2012 at 12:04 am

    My thought process was that the only way you would get a young guy like him looking to cash in on a multi-year deal (presumably) would be to overpay for one year. That way he would also become a sizable expiring deal if you wanted to use him in a bigger deal at the deadline, and I feel he is by far the best shooting guard for the Suns left on the market. I would rather vastly overpay for one year than give him a market value three-year deal.

  • 6 Russell // Jul 17, 2012 at 12:06 am

    @Roger when did I say 8-9mil per a season? I said 8.5 mil for 2 seasons. That’s 4.25 mil per a year for you math phenoms.

    Well I just saw that OJ signed for 2 years 9-10 mil…looks like FO was BS’ing us about him wanting 8mil per a year. He came here, they obviously didn’t like him enough to make him any offer so he went to Dallas. If we had offered him 5-6 mil per a year he would be a Sun.

    This contract for OJ Mayo actually should bring down Lee’s offer. Maybe instead of 8.5 mil for 2 seasons, we can get him for 7.5 mil for 2 seasons.

  • 7 Shane // Jul 17, 2012 at 12:10 am

    I really want the Suns to sign Lee but I think he will eventually sign for the Celtics.

  • 8 Scott // Jul 17, 2012 at 12:36 am

    @Russell -

    The article above suggests $8-9m for Lee for one season. Probably Roger was responding to that, not you.

  • 9 Scott // Jul 17, 2012 at 12:39 am

    I’m curious to see what the deal for Mayo really was. I’d have offered $6m a year for him.

    So … how many other players on the list after Lee before we hit Brown?

  • 10 Rishi // Jul 17, 2012 at 12:45 am

    Sign resign Redd on the cheap. he can still score and provide that veteran presence that Hill used to. So what if we have a void at the sg position, maybe it will help us get a higher draft pick this upcoming summer. Or maybe they can trade a couple of those power forwards for a SG somehow

  • 11 KeZ // Jul 17, 2012 at 1:01 am

    What about Nick Young? Have the Clippers offered him a new contract yet?

  • 12 Khalid // Jul 17, 2012 at 1:01 am

    Why is Belinelli not being looked at ?

  • 13 Rich Anthony, (KJL) // Jul 17, 2012 at 1:02 am

    Every NBA free agent AND summer league hopeful would have to turn Suns down before they bring Shannon Brown back. He is not good.


  • 14 DOPEBOIII // Jul 17, 2012 at 1:10 am

    Courtney Lee , if not just live or die with what we have till next free agency?

  • 15 KeZ // Jul 17, 2012 at 1:34 am

    Totally forgot that Nick Young signed with the 76ers.

  • 16 Scott // Jul 17, 2012 at 1:54 am

    Marco Belinelli has basic stats that are almost identical to those of Brown, though he may not defend as well. His PER is 1.68 points lower. His draft notes say he’s a very streaky shooter. He has good court vision, though, and has on occasion delivered accurate no-look passes … so that would be an improvement over Brown.

    I could see Belinelli being available for a short, modest contract.

  • 17 Scott // Jul 17, 2012 at 2:00 am

    For that matter, Leandro has stats similar to Brown and Belinelli, and a PER of 14.

    Dragic and Barbosa used to tear it up.

  • 18 Ty-Sun // Jul 17, 2012 at 2:08 am

    Belinelli wouldn’t be a bad sign. He’s not a great defender but not a terrible one either. He’s not a guy who can create his own shots and needs to play with a PG who can set him up to shoot. I’ve heard the Clips are interested in him. He’s worth a look since he’s a pretty good at shooting the 3.

  • 19 Scott // Jul 17, 2012 at 2:41 am

    PER 15 Mayo
    PER 14 Barbosa, Redd
    PER 13 Brown
    PER 12 Belinelli, Courtney Lee, Grant Hill

    Zoran Dragic (age 23) has no PER, but he is the younger brother of Goran (age 26), and his development is largely in line with where Goran was 4 years ago. His 3 pt shot is not quite there yet (33% from the shorter Euro 3), but he is an excellent defender and he gets an average of 2.5 steals a game … which was evident in Summer League play.

    I’ve taken a little heat here for liking him, but then I also took heat a few years go for repeatedly pointing out Jeremy Lin. People found reasons to not like Lin then, and to me it looks like people are trying to find reasons to not like Zoran as well.

    I guess a lot of people wait to jump on the bandwagon …?

    ZD is an excellent team player. He runs and hustles, he defends, he’s mindful of where everyone is on the court, he frequently high-fives like Nash, he can make sneaky passes under the basket, his drives are lightning fast, and he plays like a combo guard. He’s not a black hole on offense, either, as he’ll make the pass to the open man. He plays with sureness and maturity.

    To me he’s clearly THE standout defensive guard who is not a draft pick.

    When you pick young players, what are the primary things you look for? The things that normally have to be baked in at the beginning?

    Motor? check
    Not crazy? check
    High IQ? check
    Selflessness? check
    Tenacious defense? check
    Court vision? check
    Passing ability? check

    The only other thing you need from a player is offense, and that is normally the EASIEST thing for most players to learn.

    Get him now while he’s cheap.

  • 20 HoopsNerdUK // Jul 17, 2012 at 2:43 am

    On to the next one, on to the next…
    Hold up, Freeze, Somebody bring me back an SG please!

    I don’t really like Brown, but then veteran presence aside I don’t like Redd much either. He was targetted on defense at times and had to be subbed out and he stopped the ball too much, maybe because he was trying to prove a point that he could still be a go-to scorer after his injury.

    I agree C Lee has to be the number 1 target. With Hill gone we need someone who can guard the opposition’s best scorer and Lee can guard 1-3. I’m definitely not saying he’s anywhere near as good as Hill, but he fills a gaping hole on this team and can knock down spot-up 3s.

    If plan C is for Courtney, could plan D be for Delfino? Not exactly an exciting signing, but provides good defense and decent 3 point shooting. Might be interested to play with his Argentinian buddy Scola?

  • 21 Ty-Sun // Jul 17, 2012 at 2:44 am

    Look at the Dallas signing from Mayo’s point of view. Would you rather play SG on a starting lineup along with Dragic, Beasley, Scola and Gortat or on one along with Collison, Marion, Nowitski and Kaman? As much as I like the moves the FO have made so far, I’d prefer signing with Dallas if it was my decision to make too.

  • 22 FAR // Jul 17, 2012 at 3:03 am

    I Like Zoran D. but how about
    Brandon Rush
    The Numbers
    26.4MPG 0.501FG 0.4523FG 0.793FT 0.5OFF 3.4DEF 3.9RPG 1.4APG 0.5SPG 0.9BPG 1.05TO 0.98PF 9.8PPG

  • 23 Majestic One // Jul 17, 2012 at 3:09 am

    I’d bring back Redd and give Brown $11 million for 3 years.

  • 24 Dave // Jul 17, 2012 at 5:39 am

    I understand that Lee is a decent play to fill the SG roll for this season . But let’s be real , Shannon brown’s numbers are the best on the board. Let’s remember that he had a very shaky start to the year ,coming from LA’s triangle ,to the suns style of play, and still put up better numbers. He did that because he got settled down and had an above average second half of the season. Almost 17 pts per game as a starter , shooting high nba level shooting percentages as a starter. His ball handling , decision making , flow of the game improved. If he can keep that up hes the best option to sign for one or two years. Maybe plan c or maybe plan B

  • 25 Greg // Jul 17, 2012 at 5:43 am

    @Majestic one, we dont want Brown for 3 years. We want him for one, if not at all.

  • 26 Rich Anthony, (KJL) // Jul 17, 2012 at 5:47 am


    Shannon Brown is not good. I’d rather Barbosa come back. I’d rather Redd come back. I’d rather we sign some guy off a summer league squad. I’d rather Mark Price at 67 years of age. Anybody but Brown.

  • 27 KeZ // Jul 17, 2012 at 5:57 am

    Alonzo Gee?

  • 28 Ty-Sun // Jul 17, 2012 at 6:04 am

    To hell with Mark Price… stick Thunder Dan back in a uni and let him spot up for 3s. :)

  • 29 Oppermann // Jul 17, 2012 at 6:12 am

    Please let’s get Reed two years, second a team option
    He can provide so much quality from the bench, altough I think that healthy he will end up starting.

  • 30 Matt // Jul 17, 2012 at 6:18 am

    How about signing brown to a 1-2 year deal than going after iggy in FA he brings scoring athletiscism can play the 2 good d good passing.

  • 31 Matt // Jul 17, 2012 at 6:23 am

    Actually now that i look at the list sign courtney lee or terrence williams on a 1-2 year deal. Brown just takes to many bad shots like Nick Young did on the Wizards.

  • 32 Ty-Sun // Jul 17, 2012 at 6:47 am

    Let’s not limit ourselves to just the FA market. I haven’t done much research on it yet but we might actually be able to package one or two of those LA draft picks the Suns got for Steve into a trade for a 2 guard. Certainly not a big name but perhaps a younger player on another team’s bench. We wouldn’t swing a starting caliber 2 that way but we might find a better answer for the bench and someone with a little upside potential too.

  • 33 Tim from British Columbia // Jul 17, 2012 at 6:51 am

    Bring back Barbossa!

  • 34 Greg // Jul 17, 2012 at 6:54 am

    @ opperman Redd’s starting days are over. He is only going to be 33, but his kneees are shot. The Suns staff had him playing decent ball off the bench and another year of working with them can enhance that, but at this stage he is a bench guy that can score, and play literally zero defense. 15-20 mins a night is the most he can and should play.

    @ Tysun, any type of trade with draft picks for a player that has any type of potential, even a bench guy, would likley result in a team wanting us to take on a bad contract, which is not ideal. However, James Johnson for a King’s second rounder was a good deal so I am sure the FO is looking at every possibility

  • 35 Artur Mascarenhas // Jul 17, 2012 at 7:00 am

    Not saying it would be a good idea, but Tyreke Evans would probably like to go to Phoenix.

    But, again, not sure its a good idea and how he would mesh with Dragic.

  • 36 Lloyd I. Cadle // Jul 17, 2012 at 7:03 am

    Gambo has been pushing for the Suns to sign Lee. He says (in his opinion) that Lee is a better player than Mayo.

  • 37 Ty-Sun // Jul 17, 2012 at 7:20 am

    There are two guys on Dallas’ roster that might be worth looking at and both only have one year left on their contracts. Dominique Jones is a 6-5 SG who has just never lived up to his potential but he scored 30+ points in one of the summer games in Vegas a few days ago. Rodrigue Beaubois is the other. He’s really undersized to play the 2 (6-2) but is as quick as they come, loves to slash to the basket and can score a ton on any given night. They’ve been trying to turn him into a PG and failing. He’d be a defensive liability but playing with the 2nd unit he could be the bench scorer they need. Dallas – as we all well know – just signed Mayo, picked up Dahntay Jones in their trade with Indiana, picked up Vince C’s contract for another year and are still trying to resign Delonte West. Both of these guys would be worth checking into for the bench unit and might be gotten cheap. Neither might be worth the price but the FA market doesn’t look to great anymore either. And I’m sure there might be a few other 2′s on other teams benches that are worth looking into also.

  • 38 nashty // Jul 17, 2012 at 7:21 am

    Hi, I have a question, it’s possible acquire Eric Gordon the next summer or in January? If in NOH the things are not going well and the team loses patience with him…


  • 39 Rich Anthony, (KJL) // Jul 17, 2012 at 7:47 am

    @ nashty –

    Would have to involve a trade of sorts since he’s signed to that contract now.

    Phoenix would also have to send back a decent chunk of salary to make it work. I think the Gordon-to-Phoenix ship has sailed, and sunk.

  • 40 Greg // Jul 17, 2012 at 7:51 am

    They can not trade him to PHX for one year due to fact he signed the Suns offer-sheet

  • 41 nashty // Jul 17, 2012 at 8:02 am

    But, the next summer it’s not possible? If NOLA has a problem with his performance? If the player wants to come here?

    No more top players available …

  • 42 Greg // Jul 17, 2012 at 8:06 am

    Ronnie Brewer, only made $1.2 mil last year. He is an oversized super long 2 that can cause havoc on defense. His offense is pitiful, but who cares? Sign a guy like him for cheap and he can play 20 a night and contribute on the defensive end while goran beasley scola handle the scoring. Sonny Weems making return from Euro basketball, if he has developed any type of awareness he has all the tools to be an effective role player as well. Willie Green shot 44% from 3pt and plays solid defense. We need a cheap filler to come off the bench that can do atleast something on offense or play above average defense.

  • 43 Yohance // Jul 17, 2012 at 8:08 am


    Actually I agree with you.
    I would love for the Phoenix FO
    to sign Andre Iggy from the Sixers.
    He is very athletic, can pass, rebound,
    defend the teams best wing players. However
    he still needs to work on his free throws, ball handling,
    three point, and mid range game. But he is great in the open floor. Maybe we could send them a package that consists of Frye or Lopez/Warrick & Telfair and a couple of draft picks for him. He also has a high basketball IQ, great team player, kind of in the Grant Hill mold. I’m also in favor of bringing back Barbosa or signing Lee because they both played well with Dragic. Redd and Brown I see as last options. What do you all think of Derozen game from Toronto? Wonder what it would take to get him? Lastly, I hope out FO will push hard to get Josh Smith whenever he becomes a free agent. Unless Atlanta somehow gets Howard and can talk Chris Paul into signing on as well. But if I am Phoenix I might try to beat them to it. We have already started by aquiring all these assets and draft picks. Any thoughts???

  • 44 ShockTop // Jul 17, 2012 at 8:12 am

    We have ten players on the team right now.
    Dragic 1
    Dudley 2
    Beasley 3
    Scola 4
    Gortat 5

    Frye 4/5
    Morris 4/5
    Marshall 1
    Telfair 1
    Warrick 3/4

    We need a 5 and a 2 to get fouls and shoot 3s off the bench, respectively. Sounds like Lopez will want too much money for what we need him for (about 3 fouls and 8 minutes, at most, since Frye, Scola, and Morris can handle the block when Gortat rests for 10-15 minutes per game). Lee wants to be a starter, but I think Dudley can handle that as I foresee him being co-captain with Gortat. Brown wants more than one year, and if Redd does, too, then save the money for a potential Eric Gordon trade in January or add someone that gets released at the trade deadline.
    I’d prefer two D-leaguers to fill out the 12-man roster.

  • 45 steve // Jul 17, 2012 at 8:14 am

    I thought that Gordon couldn’t even be traded to the Suns if NO matched the Suns’ offer sheet. Does that rule have a time limitation?

    I’m with the people who don’t like to bury their faces in their palms. Keep Shannon Brown away from the Phoenix Suns.

    At this point, given the options, I would be in favor of making Dudley the starting 2 (even though I think he’s a bench player) and splitting the backup 2 minutes between Redd (after re-signing, of course) and Goran. It’s definitely not ideal, but it’s better than Shannon Brown.

  • 46 bk // Jul 17, 2012 at 8:15 am

    Agree to stay low. No need to be in panic mode if no reasonable deal there.

  • 47 nashty // Jul 17, 2012 at 8:18 am

    steve, the next summer it’s possible try the trade with NOLA and Gordon. Is one year only, until the next summer.

  • 48 Scott // Jul 17, 2012 at 8:24 am

    @FAR -

    Brandon Rush does have a PER of 15, so that gets my attention. And in his last year he was paid about half of what Mayo got, and nobody’s talking about him, so he’s likely to be had on the cheap.

    Last season he scored 10 ppg with a FG% of .50, he shot a VERY nice 45% from 3, he was nearly 80% at the FT line, and he pulled down 4 rpg as a 6′ 6″ SG.

    I don’t know much about his game as he’s not a player I’ve watched, but if fans are thinking he doesn’t have much ability based on what he did as a rookie, stats show he’s gotten better over the years.

    He’s 27 now, so he’s probably entering the peak years of his career.

    Based on what I see, I like the pick. Book him, Dano! :)

  • 49 Scott // Jul 17, 2012 at 8:38 am

    BTW, as far as Brown goes, if he plays with Kendall Marshall it’s likely some of his negatives will be hidden. Being more of a floor general, Marshall will get him the ball only when it is time for him to shoot, which will minimize Brown’s ball pounding, questionable shot selection, and turnovers on passing.

    Same deal if Brown starts with Dragic.

    Part of the problem before with Brown was that he was trying to assist Telfair in setting up the offense, and neither player was particularly good at it.

    So it is logical to assume Brown will play from the start more like how he finished last season.

  • 50 Cuso // Jul 17, 2012 at 8:41 am

    Here is a list of possible free agents next year. If we sign a 1 year deal with someone who should we go after next year?


  • 51 Greg // Jul 17, 2012 at 8:45 am

    Eric Gordon would look good in a Suns uniform, he would be the cornerstone, and he has star-potential, but his 4 year 58 million dollar price was enough to raise some concerns. If we trade for him down the road, losing draft picks, young players, and a relevant player for him, in addition to adding his max contract, would really tie the Suns up for a few years. We tried, didnt work, now we all need to shift our focus to more realistic options.

  • 52 Greg // Jul 17, 2012 at 8:51 am

    @ Cuso, I have mentioned this before, but next years free agent class, outside of the top guys, is not all that impressive. Ginobli will resign with the Spours, Harden will likley be match somehow. Monta Ellis will most likley be an unrestricred free agent and he is a big time scorer, more so then Gordon or Mayo are. Ellis would be a a dynamic scorer for the Suns, a real go-to guy. A team will also offer him the max, which is why I felt Mayo was the best option for production and cost out of any free agent this year or next. Paul Milsap or Al Jefferson may be available, but that move would have to be followed by a trading of Scola or Gortat to make room for playing time. Our money will be spent on the wings. If Shawn Marion early terminates, which he wont, i would mind him finishing his career with the suns off the bench.

  • 53 nashty // Jul 17, 2012 at 8:52 am

    but greg… harden is not realistic!! And Harden is the only important player that we’ll have the next summer!! Iggy not please. Iggy for 14 millon$? No thanks.

  • 54 nashty // Jul 17, 2012 at 8:55 am

    monta ellis? I don’t know…

  • 55 khalid // Jul 17, 2012 at 8:59 am

    Shabazz ?!

  • 56 Greg // Jul 17, 2012 at 9:12 am

    Ellis has injury problems, I was just mentioning the possibilities. We most likley wouldnt get Harden either, I was just answering the question of who is available

  • 57 Ron // Jul 17, 2012 at 9:13 am

    Brown isn’t great but not as bad as people are making him out to be.He takes many bad shots but his FG% are surprisingly higher than Mayo’s or Redd”s.
    My issues with him are his disinterest in getting to the foul line and his mediocre defense.

  • 58 Greg // Jul 17, 2012 at 9:15 am

    offensively ball stops with Brown, but every bench needs a guy that is willing to put the scoring on him. Brown is great bench option for Suns, miserable option for starting

  • 59 PennyAnd1 // Jul 17, 2012 at 9:36 am


    BROWN IS BAD!! he’s that bad! trust me. The reason he fared well with Suns last season was because Nash’s presence kept him at bay. Lakers dropped him for nothing for a good reason too.


    I like Brown as a person, but he lack team chemistry and shoots bad shots that not kills momentum, BUT makes everyone depress and play bad.


  • 60 Michael Schwartz // Jul 17, 2012 at 9:45 am

    To clear up one misunderstanding, the Hornets cannot trade Gordon to the Suns for the length of his deal, per Coon’s CBA FAQ: “If the team matches an offer sheet and retains their free agent, then for one year they cannot trade him without his consent, and cannot trade him at all to the team that signed him to an offer sheet.”

    I assume if the Hornets traded him somewhere that team could trade him to the Suns, but I think that all is doubtful enough not to waste any more time looking into whether it’s possible.

  • 61 Zack // Jul 17, 2012 at 9:50 am

    It angers me to see so many Shannon Brown haters. Remember, this is a guy with star potential, Courtney Lee and washed up Mike Redd won’t bring that. I prefer letting him develop and breakout than signing Lee and definitely not Redd. Just re-sign SB, and wait for next summer! He was in and out of the rotation last yr and averaged 15 as a starter. This dude said his shots make players depressed and play bad…wtf? LetShannonSign!

  • 62 Zack // Jul 17, 2012 at 9:52 am

    Also, if we could manage to get a deal where Eric Gordon could be sent to one team to trade him to PHX, then we should try that. Not just that, but Andre Igoudala is always on the block, why not look into trading for him if he signs an extension? I really feel like Courtney Lee is not the best SG available, and we don’t need another role player. I rather re-sign SB and start either him, or Dudley.

  • 63 Greg // Jul 17, 2012 at 9:55 am

    @ Nashty, why is Harden so unrealistic? Unlike the Hornets, if the Suns offered Harden the max the Thunder would be a little more hesitant. Ibaka is due for a big pay day also. Westbrook locked up at PG and Durant at SF, it would make sense for them to spend their money on Ibaka, a defensive minded 4/small ball 5 rather then a shooting guard considering they have unlimited scoring power with Westbrook and Durant. Harden, a critical piece to their team, becomes a little more expendable if a team like the Suns offer him the max, and teams will. 2 off-seasons in a row of exhausting efforts on trying to steal away RFA would be devestating, but the chances to land Harden would be significantly higher. The Thunder aren’t a team thats rebuilding, have tons of cap (if any), and Harden wasn’t the deal-sealer in a deal for Chris Paul.

  • 64 Greg // Jul 17, 2012 at 10:02 am

    @ Zack, Remember Brown has star potential? Have I been under a rock? where have you seen Browns star-potential? He was a late first round pick, has marginal success at best…5 teams in 6 seasons, thats 4 other teams so far, potentially a 5th, that have passed on this “star” potential . and his defense sucks and he doesnt drive to basket. Players that dont go to the free throw line or play defense have no star potential at all. That is not a loose term to toss around. He is going to be 27, which is WAY past an NBA players window to cash in on “star” potential. Stars are spotted from 20-24ish, after that, basically they are what they are. Brown isnt that bad, he does offer scoring ability, which is easier said then done to find. He is not a star. in any fantasy land or reality.

  • 65 Evnerl // Jul 17, 2012 at 10:11 am

    Sighn Redd and Brown to 1 year deals, then look for trade options for Frye. The goal is to build up to the point where we have a chance to win a championship, it will not happen in 1 year, I like Marshal, and Dragic as long term players, Dudly is a scrappy player, Morris is a young player with promise, and Gortat is a stud. Scola and Beasly will allow us to maintain relatively competitive in games and make good trade bait. Next year we can be major players in Free agency.

  • 66 Ty-Sun // Jul 17, 2012 at 10:19 am

    Brown may have “Dancing With The Stars” potential…

    … but seriously, I suppose he physically has the potential but not mentally. He plays hard but not smart. I don’t think that the Suns should absolutely rule out bringing him back but he shouldn’t be near the top of their wish list either.

  • 67 Ty-Sun // Jul 17, 2012 at 10:40 am

    Harden is a possibility next year but he mostly folded when OKC needed him the most in the finals. To me that could be a sign that he’s not quite as good as some people think he is. I haven’t quite made up my mind on him yet but so far I’m not convinced he’s worth a max contract. He will have the chance to convince me otherwise this season.

    But for this season I think that Suns still have better options than just trying to bring back Brown and Redd, even short term options.

  • 68 nashty // Jul 17, 2012 at 10:44 am

    greg, because also have more teams interesting in Harden. Dallas for example. our market it’s more difficult than other cities…
    I want to come harden, but it’s very difficult for me.

    this season, frye have to be traded and we will have an important pick (top-5/6) in the draft.

    t-will, your opinion?

    sorry for my english!

  • 69 Russell // Jul 17, 2012 at 11:09 am

    @Greg, Harden and Ibaka are not going to walk out of OKC for free. First I believe OKC will simply match one of those guys, and the 2nd guy if decide to let him go would only go in a S&T. OKC is not stupid.

    if it’s an S&T it puts us at a disadvantage for two reasons:

    one, it’s almost automatic that OKC asks for Gortat and picks (which means that we ad value at SG or PF and we lose equal value at Center, believe me we are not finding a Center like Gortat in Free agency, no chance).

    2nd reason is there will be other teams willing to do S&T’s and every time another team is involved we lose the guy. Just look at this year, no one else offered contracts to Dragic and Beasley, so we got both. However when we went after Gordon and Mayo, where other teams were involved, we lost the guy/s.

    But I agree that Brown sucks, I don’t want him on the team.

  • 70 Zack // Jul 17, 2012 at 11:25 am

    Oh, I was unaware that you determine when a window is closed for someone. Sorry about that….no defense? Wow…doesn’t drive?…alright man your analysis is just inaccurate. Even if it was, why not give him another chance? Let em develop? He’s better than Courtney Lee, I know that. You can mark my words. You should be saying, he’s ONLY 27. Scola had what was viewed as his breakout season at 30…he is not a star, but he can be one in the future. He needs like a mentor or something, because with his athletic ability and shooting improvement, he could be great. It’s sad to see players that jump out the gym just become mediocre role players, and that’s what he is at the moment, but there is still hope for him. His goal for the past two seasons was not to be known as only a dunk, as a result he has improved his shooting and handle. Perhaps him being a star is a longshot, but he has a higher chance than Courtney Lee!

  • 71 Zack // Jul 17, 2012 at 11:27 am

    I meant to say, if it was accurate. And the best part, is he’s cheap!

  • 72 nashty // Jul 17, 2012 at 11:32 am

    And I repeat, T-Will?

  • 73 Zack // Jul 17, 2012 at 11:38 am

    If we signed T-Will, that would be the under the radar, steal of Free Agency. People that don’t know him, search Suns, Please Sign T-Will on Facebook and watch the videos on the page. I would LOVE to have him, all he needs is playing time and he will excel. He’s been in some bad situations, but really, check out that FB page! The Suns could use more young athletes and that guy didn’t get the name Baby Bron for no reason…

  • 74 Zack // Jul 17, 2012 at 11:44 am

    Ever since the rumor surfaced that we were interested in T-Will, I had hope that we would sign him.

  • 75 Bill_Thomas // Jul 17, 2012 at 11:45 am

    We need to offer Lee a relatively generous 2 year deal, with a 3rd year team option. If we have to offer him a straight 3 year deal to better a Celtics offer then we should. He is the best pure shooter and most consistent player out there. Brown would be fine coming off the bench and would work better with Marshall, a pure setup guy, than with Dragic, but he’d do better with Dragic than Telfair. If we just re-sign Redd and Brown we will be significantly underserved at that position.

    I hate that Mayo signed with Dallas of all places and I’d like to know why we couldn’t get him. He was the most athletic wing out there and had the highest ceiling. The FO owes an explanation of all this. And what’s with the secrecy surrounding his Dallas deal ??

  • 76 JT's Hoops Blog // Jul 17, 2012 at 11:50 am

    So Childress is no longer a Sun, huh? Was he amnestied?

  • 77 nashty // Jul 17, 2012 at 11:52 am

    Sources confirm that brown will sign with a new team. So, our posibilites are t-will, lee or redd.

  • 78 Mel. // Jul 17, 2012 at 11:54 am

    “So Childress is no longer a Sun, huh? Was he amnestied?”

    Yessir. Right before the Scola signing.

  • 79 Ty-Sun // Jul 17, 2012 at 11:59 am

    I just read on ESPN that Hill is signing with the Clippers and they are hoping to send Ryan Gomes to the Suns as part of the trade. Gomes has one year left on his contract at $4 mil so he would be off the books at the end of the season. But I really know nothing about him that isn’t on his ESPN player page. He’s a 29 year old 6-7 SF with fair career stats but poor stats last year. With all the changes the Clippers made though he only played in 32 games and had less than half his career average in minute played. Anyone think this sign and trade deal is worth it or should the Suns tell the Clips to shove it?

  • 80 Greg // Jul 17, 2012 at 12:06 pm

    @ Nashty, PHX is a nice place to play. Nash loved it, Amare liked it, Marion liked it, Barkley liked it until the end, Jason Kidd, Stephan Marbury, etc. Star players and all-star players alike have liked their time in PHX. The training staff is the best and the weather is ideal. PHX can be a destination for stars, Eric Gordon proved that. And once again, i never said it was a realistic option to sign Harden, I just dont think its unrealistic. We wont be a top 5 or 6 pick, the Suns arent that bad. And Frye has a bad contract, not many teams have the space to add a deal like that, and Frye would only be useful for a contending team.

    @Russell, lol you say this like I don’t know it already. Obviously the Thunder are gonna do everything in their power to keep both, I am just saying if one is unaffordable/expendable its Harden. I was never insinuating that this is a likley scenario, I am just playing the What-IF game.

    We lost out on Gordon because he was restricted, same as Harden/Ibaka will be. We didnt lose out on him because other teams were involved, his own team retained him and there was nothing we could do. As for Mayo, his asking price was too high and we didnt offer him a deal when he visited here. Dallas offered and he took it, the terms not yet disclosed. Doesn’t mean we “lost” out on him. Its not a loss if we didnt even seriously attempt to sign him. By PHX not offering a contract shows that our interest was strong but not committed, or else hed be in PHX right now. Front Office has other plans, and its a plan they intend to follow, other then unexpected Scola pick-up.

  • 81 Greg // Jul 17, 2012 at 12:10 pm

    We dont want Gomes. He is a tweener, like others on our current roster. He is only 6’7, but hes 245, and statistics show he has been better at the 4, but the Suns would play him at the 3 obviously. His defense is a struggle. He would be an expiring contract that ties up money for the rest of this free agency period, and he sucks. Suns dont need garbage as compensation.

  • 82 Greg // Jul 17, 2012 at 12:12 pm

    he was in the bottom 10 for scoring, rebounding, and PER for small forwards. literally, he is garbage. John Hollinger said he is actually respectable at the 4, but Clips havent played him there, and the Suns wouldnt either obviously, considering our depth.

  • 83 Zack // Jul 17, 2012 at 12:21 pm

    GOMES? He is horrible! I rather get cash considerations. @Nashty bro, what are your sources? I really wanted to have SB and T-Will, but Courtney Lee and T-Will won’t be bad. I said AND, because we can pick up T-Will for cheap. But T-Will is the best, potential wise out of the other guys on the market, if he breaks out with us, it would be amazing. T-Will likes to handle the ball however, so we will likely play him as Point Forward, as the Kings, Nets, and Rockets did.

  • 84 Roger // Jul 17, 2012 at 12:23 pm

    Whoever suggested T-Will, kudos. I live in Sacramento and I’ve seen this guy play, he’s a stud. Agree he needs playing time but on Suns, he may bench-warm again unless Gentry can figure out how to split time with Dudley. I do like him.

  • 85 Zack // Jul 17, 2012 at 12:35 pm


  • 86 Greg // Jul 17, 2012 at 12:41 pm

    I dont like the red flags on Williams personality though. He has had issues and his personality has been described as “flaky”. Not something we want the guy is gonna be playing limitied minutes, further risking an issue. I don’t mind him as a player, other than being way too turnover prone. Overall he would be a nice cheap fit, but he wont get any more minutes then he got in SAC town, he would probably get less. We need a 2, not a 3.

  • 87 Zack // Jul 17, 2012 at 12:46 pm

    But T-Will can play positions 1-3…he has more handle and better court vision than the 2s out there. He’s a hardworker man, he’s trying to shake those tags off. He was late to practice with the Nets and they assigned him to the D-League…which is unfair, but he avg’d a trip-dub during those games. We’ll see though, wherever he goes, eventually he will be discovered.

  • 88 Ty-Sun // Jul 17, 2012 at 12:47 pm

    Hey, I was just reporting what I read on ESPN’s site. I was in no way endorsing the S&T for Gomes but just asking if he was at least worth considering since I really knew next to nothing about him. Nuff said!

  • 89 steve // Jul 17, 2012 at 12:52 pm

    “If the team matches an offer sheet and retains their free agent, then for one year they cannot trade him without his consent, and cannot trade him at all to the team that signed him to an offer sheet.”

    That’s what I thought. Thanks for clearing that up, Michael.

  • 90 Zack B. // Jul 17, 2012 at 1:04 pm

    Gery Woelfel: Shannon Brown, whom the Bucks have had interest in, is close to signing with another unknown team :(

  • 91 Russell // Jul 17, 2012 at 1:20 pm

    Gomes is Garbage, 4million for Gomes is a waste. The Suns need to go and sign Courtney Lee on a 2 year deal, we need someone at the 2 spot who is at least decent.

    Lee is our only realistic option via free agency, everyone else left is garbage.

    Only other option is to trade for either Tyreke Evans or Marcus Thorton.

  • 92 Greg // Jul 17, 2012 at 1:38 pm

    @Tysun, understandable, i was just answering lol

    change of topic, 2012 olympic team would beat the 1992 dream team.

  • 93 Cody // Jul 17, 2012 at 1:39 pm

    How about trading for a different King that can shoot, like Jimmer. Sure he is a shorter guard, but with the bigger front line, you can make up for a smaller SG. He an Dragic would be a good combo.

  • 94 Greg // Jul 17, 2012 at 1:42 pm

    @zach, lets not say “he will get discovered” he is 25, and 20 mins a night for 3 different teams, one sample large, the other two small, and he has had little to no improvement. theres a reason he will be on a 4th nba team in 4 years. Scouts and coaches are smart, they see more then we do, 4 teams wouldnt pass a guy around from year to year if he had legit talent. he isnt a starter in this league. but he could be a nice piece

  • 95 Zack B. // Jul 17, 2012 at 1:42 pm

    Jimmer? Lmao. He is not the type of player we need, nor is Thornton. I would try to make a deal with Sac town, Dudley, maybe Marshall and picks for Ty Evans and T-Will.But Jimmer is very one dimensional and undersized, we would be taking a step back with him.

  • 96 nashty // Jul 17, 2012 at 1:43 pm

    T-Will please. T-Will and Brown or T-Will and Lee, but T-Will is obligatory.

  • 97 nashty // Jul 17, 2012 at 1:44 pm

    Zack B. noooooooooooooooooooooooo!!! Marshall, Dudley and picks for Evans?? Please no…

  • 98 Zack B. // Jul 17, 2012 at 1:45 pm

    Nah man, @Greg, you damn sure haven’t watched as much T-Will as I have to say so. 20 minutes? Not even. I find it weird how you guys come up with these definitive statements, as if there is no chance of development for young players. The Kings kept him after the 10-day contracts for a reason, and that is the same reason they want to re-sign him. But what the future holds is unknown.

  • 99 Zack B. // Jul 17, 2012 at 1:48 pm

    T-Will is obligatory because of his versatility and court vision I presume. SB is most likely leaving. @Nashty, I’m not saying all that for just him I’m saying those would be options…Evans is a guy that is on the verge of being an All-Star…20, 5 & 5 in his rookie yr? His stats have went down because of the Kings’ changing rosters, and his position has been debated.

  • 100 Greg // Jul 17, 2012 at 1:48 pm

    haha, yea no Jimmer. we dont have a “bigger” front line, Gortat is 6-11, Scola is 6-9 and Beasley listed at 6-10 is more around 6-9. Scola and Beasley arent great rebounders, so that size advantage goes away, and all 3 of those guys arent average or below average defenders. Jimmer would make our defense much worse. He was a great college player, NBA I dont see a bright future, he will be solid at best in my opinion, maybe improve enough to be a 6th man off a good teams bench. i

    @ ZachB I say NO to tyreke. He isnt that great, and he has digressed from his rookie season, not a good sign. Marshall has Rubio like qualities, and from what we saw, Rubio’s lack of athleticism/defense/shot worked out ok for him didnt? Marshall and Dudley to me have more value then Evans and T-Will….Evans has potential and would solve our SG spot, but he is a ball hog too, how many starting PGs average less then 5 assist a game? none besides Evans.

  • 101 Zack B. // Jul 17, 2012 at 1:49 pm

    If you don’t know much of T-Will, don’t be so quick to judge based on his Resume! At LEAST watch the videos on that Facebook page to get a better idea of what we’re dealing with.

  • 102 Greg // Jul 17, 2012 at 1:53 pm

    @ Zach B, i got my statements from FACT. lol check his stats, he has played 20 mins a game with 3 different teams, for 80 games, 20 games, and 12 games. Stats dont lie. and 25 is not considered that young in the NBA for potential purposes. His potential is role player off the bench, or could start on a really bad team. he is a versatile point forward that averages nearly 2 turnovers per 20 mins (his career average in minutes, which you claim ‘not even”), thats bad. and he has shot 40%. also. bad.

  • 103 Zack B. // Jul 17, 2012 at 1:54 pm

    Okay some valid points have been made, Greg. Marshall and Dudley aren’t even close to the value of a Tyreke Evans and Terrence Williams that play to their potential. I like Dudley, but he’s not the type of player that can just take over a game. Marshall could have a bright future, as he is already an NBA-ready passer. But if we could have that deal, I’d take it in a heartbeat. Btw, Evans doesn’t play PG anymore, he’s been logging most of his minutes at SG and SF since the arrival of Jimmer and Isaiah Thomas. And take into account that Rubio had years of experience and preparation overseas before coming to the league.

  • 104 Greg // Jul 17, 2012 at 1:54 pm

    lol watch videos? what his highlights? you can take any NBA scrub thats been in the league 3 or 4 years and put together a highlight tape. if you are such a knowledgble kings fan why are you on the suns message board?

  • 105 FAR // Jul 17, 2012 at 1:57 pm

    Why you guys want that much t-will If BRANDON RUSH have the best number for SG and the Laker want him a lot hi is 6.6 Tall 225 Lbs and blocks shots a lot for a SG.




  • 106 Zack B. // Jul 17, 2012 at 1:57 pm

    Yes, he’s rough around the edges, but I rather a player with edges you can smooth out, then none at all. His turnover rate is the main knock on him. True, but a 20 and 12 game season means nothing to me, it is surely hard to be thrusted into a team’s rotation in the middle of the season. His rookie year was decent, and he got to show what he can do a little more. His potential is more than a role player or player that will start on a bad team, I disagree. His career average in minutes is dominated by his time with New Jersey, stats lie by omission.

  • 107 Greg // Jul 17, 2012 at 1:58 pm

    I am not saying Marshall is going to be dynamite right away, itll take time. I agree that Evans played less PG this year but what about the other two years? I agree Tyreke Evans is a potential that cant be missed, but he isnt a good fit for the suns. he cant shoot, he plays iso ball, and he isnt a good defender because his effort lacks on that end big time. and just to put an end to the t-will arguement from my standpoint, i was trying to be nice and agree, but he isnt good and will never amount to anything more then a 10 ppg 4 rebound 3 assist type guy. average at best.

  • 108 Zack B. // Jul 17, 2012 at 2:00 pm

    Lmao, dude I’m a diehard Suns, Knicks, and Grizzlies fan, but I am a basketball fan above all. I watch all teams, but focus on mine. Not just highlights, interviews, his Youtube series: Poor, Hungry, Driven. I’m just saying bro, learn more about em.

  • 109 Greg // Jul 17, 2012 at 2:01 pm

    he played 22 mins per game in new jersey….and 18 games @ 20 mins with the kings is a justifiable sample. look at jeremy lin and goran dragic? they turn 1 or 2 months into big time money. His last month of the season was good i will give you that, 9 points 4 rebounds 3 assist in 21 mins….nothing to write home about

  • 110 Greg // Jul 17, 2012 at 2:02 pm

    lmao you cant be a diehard fan of 3 teams. thats not a defintion of “die-hard”

  • 111 Zack B. // Jul 17, 2012 at 2:03 pm

    Yeah Marshall will be a project. Evans can change though, this is what you’re missing. Players change and develop, the same way we’re hoping Beasley has! Wow, that’s a pretty stern statement about T-Will, it’s your opinion, but either of us could be right. I’m sure we will both be on this website throughout the season, so I’ll keep you updated on his progress, wherever he goes.

  • 112 Zack B. // Jul 17, 2012 at 2:06 pm

    Why’s that? I represent all three of them equally, have been with them during horrible seasons and great seasons, and won’t ever change my teams…maybe you have a different definition of die-hard.

  • 113 JDUB // Jul 17, 2012 at 2:17 pm

    I say we trade Robin Lopez for in that 3 way deal with POR/MINN and get back Wes Johnson. We need a shooter and he can shine on our team and is still young

    Dragic / Marshall
    Brown / Johnson
    Beasley / Dudley
    Scola / Morris
    Gortat / Frye

  • 114 Zack B. // Jul 17, 2012 at 2:23 pm

    That’s an amazing idea @JDub…Frye would play backup C and we would get an athletic guy that can defend and shoot. I endorse that move 100%.

  • 115 frenchysunsfan // Jul 17, 2012 at 2:26 pm

    Lee would be a good addition. He’s a defensive-minded player and also a great 3s shooter. Moreover he would be much cheaper than Mayo or Gordon.
    Now I just hope that a team will make a big offer for Lopez and the Suns won’t match it, Frye could be a very good center back-up, just like he did in 2009-2010 when he played alongside with Stoudemire and it was his best year.
    Re-signing Redd would also be a good move if Gomes does not come with Hill’s sign and trade.
    Concerning Brown, he played much better at the end of the season, he did not make the Suns win many games, but we must remember that last year’s training camp was very short and he may need a bit more time.

  • 116 Edward // Jul 17, 2012 at 2:37 pm

    Shannon Brown is not good. I’d rather Barbosa come back. I’d rather Redd come back. I’d rather we sign some guy off a summer league squad. I’d rather Mark Price at 67 years of age. Anybody but Brown.

  • 117 Edward // Jul 17, 2012 at 2:39 pm

    I say we trade Robin Lopez for in that 3 way deal with POR/MINN and get back Wes Johnson. We need a shooter and he can shine on our team and is still young
    Dragic / Marshall
    Brown / Johnson
    Beasley / Dudley
    Scola / Morris
    Gortat / Frye

    Read more: http://valleyofthesuns.com/2012/07/16/o-j-mayo-signs-dallas-wing-options-thinning/#ixzz20v09AXPb

  • 118 Edward // Jul 17, 2012 at 2:44 pm

    44ShockTop // Today at 8:12 am (6 hours ago)

    We have ten players on the team right now.
    Dragic 1
    Dudley 2
    Beasley 3
    Scola 4
    Gortat 5

    Frye 4/5
    Morris 4/5
    Marshall 1
    Telfair 1
    Warrick 3/4

    We need a 5 and a 2 to get fouls and shoot 3s off the bench, respectively. Sounds like Lopez will want too much money for what we need him for (about 3 fouls and 8 minutes, at most, since Frye, Scola, and Morris can handle the block when Gortat rests for 10-15 minutes per game). Lee wants to be a starter, but I think Dudley can handle that as I foresee him being co-captain with Gortat. Brown wants more than one year, and if Redd does, too, then save the money for a potential Eric Gordon trade in January or add someone that gets released at the trade deadline.
    I’d prefer two D-leaguers to fill out the 12-man roster.

    Read more: http://valleyofthesuns.com/2012/07/16/o-j-mayo-signs-dallas-wing-options-thinning/#ixzz20v1OPDUH

  • 119 cha cha cha // Jul 17, 2012 at 3:01 pm

    if they get Lee, they should start him at sg, with Dudley at sf; Beasley should be the prototypical 6th man/top scorer off the bench, a la Harden (or the Barbosa of old). otherwise, bench scoring will be anemic.

  • 120 Zack B. // Jul 17, 2012 at 3:06 pm

    No way in the world Beasley comes off the bench.

  • 121 cha cha cha // Jul 17, 2012 at 3:18 pm

    well, Lee shared backcourt duties with Dragic for most of March and April, so there’s no learning curve for those two getting acclimated to one another. and i’d guess that if Lee’s brought to the Suns to come off the bench, then he’s not going to be a Sun.

  • 122 SUNS NEWS // Jul 17, 2012 at 3:55 pm


  • 123 Scott // Jul 17, 2012 at 4:16 pm

    Actually, if the Suns get Lee, they should have enough defense on the court to allow Beasley to start at SF.

    Dudley could come off the bench at either wing spot.

  • 124 Tim in BC // Jul 17, 2012 at 4:19 pm

    Barbossa or Lee since both played well with Dragic. Derozan on the Raptors is a really good player…see him alot up here in Canada.

  • 125 cha cha cha // Jul 17, 2012 at 4:22 pm

    so Dudley, who started 60 of his 65 games last season, will be demoted to the bench. and Beasley, who only started 7 of his 47 games last season, becomes a starter?

  • 126 Scott // Jul 17, 2012 at 4:23 pm

    Keep in mind, though, that Beasley rates a measly 13 PER, which is substantially below the league average, and in Shannon Brown’s category.

    Dudley’s about a 15.5 PER … a more complete player, and slightly above average.

    As I’ve said before … I’m not convinced yet that the Beasley signing is not a mistake. To me, he’s a bigger and more unstable Brown.

  • 127 Scott // Jul 17, 2012 at 4:50 pm

    @cha cha cha -

    If the Suns were to sign Lee, it would make more sense to start Beasley with Gortat and Scola, because Beasley would be the source of a lot of the offense and his defense would be covered.

    In terms of last year, it would be like combining Brown or Redd with Dudley or Childress, in that you’ve got someone who is a volume scorer with no defense being covered for by players who are defensively sound and efficient on offense.

    Moved to the bench, Dudley could help Marshall keep things rolling with his hustle and veteran savvy.

    It’s also probably a good idea to pair a nut like Beasley with more seasoned players as opposed to junior level players. They’ll be able to put him in his place, if needed.

    Beasley … a slightly taller Shannon Brown who was given twice the money and 3x the years. sigh

  • 128 cha cha cha // Jul 17, 2012 at 5:06 pm

    i’m comfortable with a Dragic/Dudley/Beasley/Scola/Gortat starting line-up. i think if Lee’s gotta come off the bench, he’d probably rather do so in Boston. in that case, i’d be fine with relatively inexpensive Barbosa as the 6th man. maybe bring in your 2nd favorite Dragic.

  • 129 Jason A. // Jul 17, 2012 at 5:24 pm

    Get Lee, sign him to a 1 yr 4.5 mil deal, and let’s do some battle. Lee played well with Dragic and Scola. They weren’t the problem on the rockets last year. I like our team. Go Suns!

  • 130 Jason A. // Jul 17, 2012 at 5:27 pm

    @Scott “Beasley … a slightly taller Shannon Brown who was given twice the money and 3x the years. sigh”

    That’s crazy right there. Beasley is WAY more talented than brown. We’ll find out soon enough…

  • 131 Scott // Jul 17, 2012 at 6:21 pm

    @Jason A. -

    I hope you’re right. I’m willing to be converted, but prior to the signing I would have thought Beasley would either be a cheap deep reserve somewhere, or overseas.

  • 132 Bill_Thomas // Jul 17, 2012 at 7:09 pm

    Here is a link to comments posted on the Dallas Morning News about the Mayo signing. He makes them much more athletic and yet once again, we
    are looking to be behind the athleticism curve in the West. I hope the FO can honestly tell us that we offered him a better deal than Dallas and he still would not sign with us. Otherwise, there is absolutely NO EXCUSE !!!!

  • 133 Bill_Thomas // Jul 17, 2012 at 7:09 pm

    Sorry, here is the link.


  • 134 cha cha cha // Jul 17, 2012 at 7:18 pm

    “He makes them much more athletic”

    yeah, because their frontcourt includes Elton Brand and Chris Kamen.

  • 135 Joe // Jul 17, 2012 at 7:54 pm

    I know he’s restricted, but I’d like the Suns to make a play for Brandon Rush. Golden State has Klay Thompson as well, so maybe we can pry Rush away.

  • 136 Majestic One // Jul 17, 2012 at 8:41 pm

    I agree Brandon Rush is the guy to get.

  • 137 Bill_Thomas // Jul 17, 2012 at 10:56 pm

    Per the LA Times and corroborated by ESPN, Ryan Gomes was amnestied or waived this evening. So hopefully there is not a snowball’s chance in hell of that
    idiot getting anywhere near this place !!!!!!!!!!!!

  • 138 Bill_Thomas // Jul 17, 2012 at 10:59 pm

    Agreed, Rush is beast, but I think his 3 pt. shooting is streaky and I’m not sure he has a medium game–but given the chance, he will attack the basket.

  • 139 Bill_Thomas // Jul 17, 2012 at 11:03 pm

    @cha cha cha: Again, Mayo is to our disadvantage, maybe our great disadvantage unless we get and equal and opposite offsetting force such as perhaps Rush, or Terrence Williams.

    Yeah, OK, so we are a little ahead of Dallas on athleticism with Kaman/Brand vs. Gortat/Frye/Morris/Scola,
    but not huge difference there.

  • 140 Bill_Thomas // Jul 17, 2012 at 11:05 pm

    I think Lopez/Rush is a no brainer for both teams.

  • 141 Bill_Thomas // Jul 17, 2012 at 11:08 pm

    Although GS gave up Amundsen to get Rush. Bet we could get Amundsen back easily, maybe even for a second round pick. Or for Warrick. Although I don’t think Warrick is anywhere near as poor a player as this Board seems to feel. He has been very poorly used, despite his obvious problems with defense.

  • 142 Bill_Thomas // Jul 17, 2012 at 11:12 pm

    @ cha cha cha: You might need to go back to college and take a course in “Critical Thinking”.

  • 143 Bill_Thomas // Jul 17, 2012 at 11:14 pm

    My theory on Kaman/Brand/Cuban is that Cuban is the majority owner of a private company with a hot osteoporosis drug in development, and he needs clinical subjects.

  • 144 Scott // Jul 17, 2012 at 11:58 pm

    @Bill -

    I’ll support the idea that Warrick has been poorly used. That’s on thing that makes all of this discussion seem a bit moot. You never know how the players will be used.

    The other thing that makes them moot: we don’t make the player decisions. ;)

  • 145 Bill_Thomas // Jul 18, 2012 at 2:11 am

    Mike Woodson is a damned black bitch !!!!!!!!!!!!

  • 146 Greg // Jul 18, 2012 at 6:16 am

    “Beasley … a slightly taller Shannon Brown who was given twice the money and 3x the years. sigh

    lol out of all the post i just reviewed, this one I believe has made us all dumber having read it and we award you no points, may steve nash have mercy on our souls

  • 147 Greg // Jul 18, 2012 at 6:21 am

    Allen Iverson, Tracy McGrady, somehow convince Grant Hill not to deal with the Clips, sign Earl Boykins for added back-court length, talk Shaq off TNT back into a Suns uniform, and obviously throw a substantial offer and Andray Blatche.

    Earl Boykins, Allen Iverson, Tracy McGrady, Andray Blatche, Shaquille O’neal….Grant Hill off the bench. Now THIS, is how you rebuild a team.

  • 148 Michael // Jul 18, 2012 at 3:16 pm

    Why is everyone hatin on Shannon Brown so much? I hope he does come back i prefer Brown starting at the 2 that Dudley…Dudley should come off the bench. Haterz

  • 149 Bill_Thomas // Jul 18, 2012 at 7:31 pm

    Sorry about the last comment, I must have been quite out of whack for a bit.

  • 150 Zack B. // Jul 19, 2012 at 2:55 pm

    Now we better re-sign SB and get T-Will! Courtney Lee has been traded to the Celtics…

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