How the Eric Gordon situation mirrors Joe Johnson’s and what the Suns should offer in a sign-and-trade

Posted by on July 6th, 9:16 pm

Although it wasn’t quite as ugly seven years ago, the parallels behind Eric Gordon’s restricted free agency experience and what Joe Johnson put the Suns through in 2005 are prevalent.

Like Gordon today, Johnson was a fourth-year rising star shooting guard who made it very clear to Suns owner Robert Sarver that he did not want to play in Phoenix any longer. Instead of being the fourth wheel on a title contender, he preferred to be “The Man” for the Hawks.

The 2012 Hornets are not comparable to the 2005 Suns in terms of current talent but with Anthony Davis picked first overall New Orleans seems to possess a bright future. However, Gordon would prefer to come to Phoenix and be “The Man” as the Suns move past the Nash era.

The most important similarity comes down to respect. After Johnson’s superb 2004-05 season in which he averaged 17.1 ppg and shot 47.8 percent from three, the Suns only offered him $60 million over six years (Atlanta gave him $70 million for five).

Similarly, Gordon was not feeling the love through a four-year, $50 million offer from the Hornets when a team like the Suns rolled out the orange carpet for him and vowed to make him a franchise cornerstone with a $58 million offer.

In the Hornets247 video from today embedded above, when Gordon is asked what makes Phoenix a better fit than New Orleans, he said, “The interest. I feel like I’m getting taken advantage of over there just because I’m restricted. … If they wanted to … you know how this CBA, this deal is, it’s built for you to stay with your remaining team, but everything has been taken advantage of.”

That’s an interesting reason for wanting to be a Sun, and for that give credit to Babby and Blanks for what sounds like an outstanding pitch.

Players — particularly star players — want to feel wanted, and the Suns clearly sold him on how much they really cared about him becoming a Suns cornerstone.

On paper it would have made sense for Johnson to continue to chase a ring with a Nash/Amare/Matrix core and for a 23-year-old Gordon to grow with a 19-year-old Davis, yet with the kind of egos that abound in this league there can be factors beyond what one would think would be most important (winning and money), and that is respect.

Even Nash kind of talked about this recently in that he wanted to get paid for the status of it beyond just trying to win on a mid-level deal. Johnson and Gordon did not feel the respect from their original teams and thus they wanted to leave.

JJ let it be known that he would not be pleased playing in Phoenix, and there was one legion of fans that felt he would eventually get over that unhappiness while making his $14 million a year and playing for one of the best teams in basketball.

Gordon has been quite a bit more vociferous about his desire to leave New Orleans, so it would make sense for this situation to end the same way as the JJ’s did: with a sign-and-trade.

Based on all the other similarities between the situations — including the leverage the player tried to provide for his new team when really the team with the restricted rights holds all the cards — I feel it could make sense for any potential sign-and-trade to be comparable.

The Suns received pre-MIP/too many croissants Boris Diaw and two protected first-round picks, the Lakers’ in 2006 and the Hawks’ in 2007.

The Suns ended up picking Rajon Rondo with the No. 21 pick in 2006 before trading it to Boston and Robin Lopez No. 15 overall in 2008 because the 2007 selection ended up being third and held a top-three protection. Otherwise, the Suns could have received Diaw, Rondo and Al Horford or Joakim Noah for JJ but instead got what was at the time an underwhelming Diaw and two protected picks.

So to me Robin Lopez plus one of the Lakers’ picks and one protected Suns pick would seem to be most comparable to the Suns’ haul for Johnson. Like Diaw at the time, Lopez is a young player with talent who has not quite figured it out and then those picks match up to Phoenix’s draft haul.

New Orleans could use a center to pair with Davis (although they presumably want Gortat, who should be untouchable). With Goran Dragic signing for four years, I would also consider including Kendall Marshall, particularly since as a restricted free agent himself Lopez would have to agree to play in New Orleans and then negotiate his own deal.

That kind of trade could not be further away from what five Hornets247 writers wrote when posed the question of what kind of assets they would seek in a sign-and-trade.

Their asking prices include the following offers/explanations:

  • Kendall Marshall, Marcin Gortat and an unprotected first round pick (and a salary filler).
  • Gortat is a must. Then give me 2 out of the following three: Jared Dudley, Kendall Marshall, unprotected 2013 pick. Throw in Lakers 2013 1st-rounder too. I actually prefer that package to any that Houston could offer. If they refuse to include Gortat, they would have to give me everything else, 3-4 1st rounders, Marshall, Lopez, and Dudley.
  • I want Marshall, Gortat and the Suns’ unprotected first — not one of the Lakers’ picks.
  • Kendall Marshall, Marcin Gortat, and the Suns’ 2013 and 2014 first round picks.
  • In my world we need a third team — like Sacramento — to come in. I’ll spare you the details, but we get good young talent, future picks, and zero long term contacts.

So from that exercise we learned that the Hornets clearly would like Marshall (or their bloggers do at least) and that my opinion of a fair trade differs greatly from that of the Hornets TrueHoop bloggers. Marshall, Lopez, Dudley and 3-4 first-rounders?!? Are we talking about Eric Gordon or Chris Paul here?

Nothing can happen until July 11 so Lon Babby and Dell Demps have plenty of time to exchange trade ideas. We will soon learn how much (if at all) the price of an elite fourth-year restricted shooting guard has changed in the past seven years.

Brooks an unrestricted free agent?

It seemed a foregone conclusion the Suns would rescind their qualifying offer to Aaron Brooks after their July 4 free agency splurge to make room under the cap for all the signings and a tweet by Brooks that he soon deleted seems to confirm that.

The tweet simply said: “Unrestricted : ).”

If not now, it’s only a matter of time before this is the case.

With Houston one of the teams linked to him in the NBA rumor mill, wouldn’t it be funny if the Suns and Rockets completed this trade in reverse via free agency just with no draft pick compensation going along with The Dragon this time?

Report: Suns in mix for Redd

Fox Sports’ Chris Tomasson tweeted that the Suns and Bulls are “most heavily in the mix” for free-agent shooting guard Michael Redd. He added that the Suns are waiting to see what happens with Gordon before dealing with Redd.

If the Suns sign Gordon and amnesty Childress, Redd could still come back as a useful fourth wing, and if they lose out on Gordon they will need serious wing help with only Jared Dudley and the potential amnesty candidate Childress slated to return.

Michael Schwartz founded ValleyoftheSuns in October 2008 and is the owner/editor emeritus of the site. He is currently working toward his MBA in sports business at San Diego State University.

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Tags: New Orleans Hornets · Phoenix Suns · Phoenix Suns Analysis · Trades

112 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Michael McNamara // Jul 6, 2012 at 9:32 pm

    Michael McNamara, Editor of Hornets247.com here. Let’s do this! I will throw my proposal at you fine people and look forward to the counters. First up:

    Jared Dudley, sign and trade us R. Lopez, and your 2013 and 2014 first rounders. Also, Lakers 1st rounder in 2015

    Give us that and he is yours on the 11th.

    Thoughts?

  • 2 incubus // Jul 6, 2012 at 9:39 pm

    Kendall Marshall, Marcin Gortat and an unprotected first round pick along with markiff is a no go. people seem ok with giving up Marshall but im not.
    ive spent some time on the hornets blog and they are asking for way to much. i would rather call the trade off that give up all that or any of those players. rolo and 2 draft picks should be enough. (protected of course)

  • 3 joe // Jul 6, 2012 at 9:44 pm

    How about we trade you our whole team for Eric Gordon, thoughts?
    Asking for Jared Dudley, Robin Lopez and all those picks for a player who only played 9 games last season is beyond excessive.

  • 4 Josh // Jul 6, 2012 at 9:47 pm

    Frequent commenter for Hornets247.

    I think either Gortat and Suns’ 2013 unprotected 1st-round pick or Marshall and the pick.

  • 5 alex // Jul 6, 2012 at 9:48 pm

    how bout lopez 2015 picks and S. brown lol

  • 6 Michael McNamara // Jul 6, 2012 at 9:53 pm

    Okay, you have talked me down.

    Dudley and your 2013 and 2014 unprotected first round picks and he is yours. Final offer

  • 7 Rex // Jul 6, 2012 at 9:54 pm

    First up, we just lost a fan’s favourite in Nash, there’s no way the F.O. paths with Dudley this summer unless it nets us Howard. Second, 3 picks? Seriously? Why not rob the team at gun point. The most you get out of the Suns is Lopez, Bassy, Lakers 2013 pick and Suns 2014 pick (protected) or Lakers 2013 round pick.
    I don’t think the Suns path with Marshall either

  • 8 Freddy // Jul 6, 2012 at 9:54 pm

    Jeez! Would you like my Wife too? ”Agrees RoLo + 2 picks is fair.

    I say Gortat, and Dudley are Keepers.

  • 9 alex // Jul 6, 2012 at 9:54 pm

    that sounds good actaully

  • 10 alex // Jul 6, 2012 at 9:57 pm

    how bout 2014 and 2015 picks

  • 11 GoSuns // Jul 6, 2012 at 10:01 pm

    lopez, childress, and the 1st rd laker picjk in ’13

  • 12 Troy // Jul 6, 2012 at 10:02 pm

    One word: leverage. While Demps and the Hornets have it, it’s mitigated by the fact that Gordon doesn’t want to be there. With that in mind, the Hornets cannot expect to receive what they might were it a straight up trade without the “star player” involved leveraging his way out with a RFA offer sheet on the table. Do they really want to risk the “ugly” that would be involved in bringing back a key player who doesn’t want to be there to begin with rather than getting at least SOMETHING for him? That fact negates some (not all) of their leverage, and thus makes the compensation they might receive in return for Gordon less than what it otherwise might be.

    With that in mind…Michael Schwartz’s idea of “fair” seems to make a whole lot more sense than what the Hornets’ bloggers are suggesting. Because – as was outlined above – the Suns’ leverage for retaining Johnson in 2005 was greatly mitigated by his expressed lack of desire to be in Phoenix. Otherwise, you can bet the house that the Suns would’ve received a WHOLE lot more than Boris Diaw and conditional picks in return for a budding all-star.

    Hornets fans, take note.

  • 13 Rich Anthony, (KJL) // Jul 6, 2012 at 10:04 pm

    Michael, you walked into the wrong bar.

    First off all, that proposal you just dropped down only becomes reality if David Stern once again steps in and forces the issue.

    Not only is that trade insane, but most of the repair work the Suns’ FO has done so far this off-season would be ruined PLUS they would need 24 hour protection if they agreed to that.

    Browsing the 24 / 7 site, you guys are asking for far too much. Do not think this is a “Carmelo scenario” where the owner basically gave up their entire future for one guy.

    Gortat should be OFF THE TABLE. The whole point of bringing Gordon to the valley is to achieve skill addition. Giving up Gortat to get Gordon leaves us in the same boat with a different paddle.

    Then there’s this beautiful nugget.

    “Gortat is a must. Then give me 2 out of the following three: Jared Dudley, Kendall Marshall, unprotected 2013 pick. Throw in Lakers 2013 1st-rounder too. I actually prefer that package to any that Houston could offer. If they refuse to include Gortat, they would have to give me everything else, 3-4 1st rounders, Marshall, Lopez, and Dudley.”

    I’m not a browser of Hornets24/7 so I don’t know when you guys are trolling or being serious. I don’t even think that deal is possible on NBA 2K12.

    If these are the sorts of deals the Hornets are curretly throwing at Phoenix, I’d expect the Suns to QUICKLY shift their sights on OJ Mayo, instruct Gordon to remain healthy and play a season, then come to the Valley as an UFA if he really wants to be here.

    We’re not “cutting off our hands to wipe the ass of another” here.

  • 14 DBreezy // Jul 6, 2012 at 10:04 pm

    I think the only real similarities are that these are the two biggest restricted free agency situations in Sarver’s tenure. Restricted free agency pretty much all comes down to money from the crummy Joe Alexander rookie who you aren’t even willing to offer a qualifier to, to the best young players in the game. Sarver didn’t want to or couldn’t afford (take your personal pick) to keep Johnson at that price so they agreed to a sign and trade.

    Let’s say the Suns had traded Marion before the 2004-2005 season like Sarver wanted to before being talked down by Colangelo and D’Antoni. Presumably they would have picked Iggy or Deng, but in any case their salary would have been low enough to match JJ and still have money left over to extend Amar’e which was probably Sarver’s concern at the time.

    The Hornets dont have those concerns. They aren’t coming off a WCF appearance, they’ve cleared plenty of cap space and won’t have to worry abort signing Davis or Rivers to big deals for years. There is no reason for them not to match even if they ultimately decide to move Gordon later for a package on their terms which will be better than what the Suns have to offer. If they wanted Kendall, they could have drafted him.

    The Hornets bloggers are off their rockers with their requests, but in their position they can be because they can get more for him now or later. I think the Suns brass knows it too, which is why they’re thinking about Shannon Brown and plan b as you have to think that the two teams have had at least cursory talks on a sign and trade by now.

    I’m going to assume that Indy and Houston, who have more assets than the Suns, werent willing to pay the same money so looks like the ball is Eric’s court. Take less money from Indy or Houston and see if you can get a sign and trade. Take the qualifier or roll the dice with the Suns offer sheet and know that your getting 58m but you’re not sure where you’ll spend three out of the next four seasons except that it won’t be in the valley.

  • 15 Rich Anthony, (KJL) // Jul 6, 2012 at 10:08 pm

    I would expect the Suns to be on the phone looking for a 3rd team. I just don’t see any combination involving more than 2 draft picks, JMZ, or Gortat being appealing to Phoenix.

  • 16 GoSuns // Jul 6, 2012 at 10:11 pm

    take a look at the magic with dwight, lebron with the cavs, do yall really wanna go down that road?

  • 17 Josh // Jul 6, 2012 at 10:16 pm

    I say at least Kendall Marshall and 2013 unprotected Suns’ first-round pick.

  • 18 martin // Jul 6, 2012 at 10:23 pm

    @McNamara: Very fun of you to come on the site and spark this discussion.

    I think Michael’s suggestion is fair. I wouldn’t go beyond that. I might also, however, consider the Laker’s 4 picks alone in trade for Gordon. But that is a maybe. If NOH holds us hostage, I think our FO would back away. I know we as fans would.

  • 19 Michael McNamara // Jul 6, 2012 at 10:26 pm

    You guys seem to forget that the Hornets can match and then move Gordon to somebody else. Houston, for instance, can offer Raps lotto pick and several young assets.

    I know fan bases hate to give, but it is necessary to get quality. Heck, I remember Clippers fans were upset at all they gave up for CP3. Wanted to just give up Bledose and Aminu since the Hornets “had no other choice”

    Think they regret that trade now?

    You gotta give to get quality, and if you don’t get Gordon, what is your best alternative? Mayo?

  • 20 Josh // Jul 6, 2012 at 10:34 pm

    Thank you, Michael. #browdownonphx

  • 21 travis bottoms // Jul 6, 2012 at 10:35 pm

    Here’s the thing.. Gordon hasn’t signed anything yet and isnt allowed to until the 18th. Gordon can easily say hey Suns NOLA isnt dealing.. Ill sign my one year qualifier and become unrestricted next year. PHX would sign Brown to a two year deal front load it and get there man next offseason. If they do deal Lopez and two protected picks is a good trade. You do realize what PHX got for a two time MVP.

  • 22 Rich Anthony, (KJL) // Jul 6, 2012 at 10:36 pm

    The difference is, in those instances, what came back upgraded the team. What you guys are asking for equals a lateral move for us minus key assets.

    If Hornets decide to match and trade Gordon somewhere else, then we move on or try to get him later.

    Though Schwartzy and I have been talking in the Suns Twitter Board Room and have (A LOT OF RESISTANCE on my end) agreed to a potential deal involving the #NextPointGod.

    S&T Rolo + Marshall + (2) Picks for EG. Keep your hands off THORTAT?!?!? and his Hammer, and perhaps we deal..

  • 23 Tyler // Jul 6, 2012 at 10:37 pm

    Yes but Eric Gordon already has a history of injuries. Chris Paul did not. Also, Eric Gordon is definitely not Chris Paul; he may be among the best guards in the league at this point, but your price is too high for what we’d be getting. I can see giving 2-3 picks and Lopez (or MAYBE Dudley, not and) but not more than that. I mean honestly, in a way, we have a bit of leverage too. True you guys have way more than we do, but would Houston want a disgruntled Gordon? Do you want a disgruntled Gordon? I understand he’ll probably play no matter what, especially if he’s getting paid, but I still have to believe (partly out of optimism) that this factor definitely plays into the decision somewhat.

  • 24 bk // Jul 6, 2012 at 10:38 pm

    NO matches the Suns offer.
    Suns re-sign Shannon Brown or Micheal Redd.
    Suns is under cap again next year and sign someone else next year.

  • 25 travis bottoms // Jul 6, 2012 at 10:40 pm

    11th*

  • 26 Rich Anthony, (KJL) // Jul 6, 2012 at 10:42 pm

    Suns are currently in a 2-team race to sign Redd anyway. It’s PHX versus CHI on that front. I think PHX would win due to system, usage, and Warlocks.

    Shannon Brown will never wear purple and orange again, because Shannon Brown is bad.

  • 27 travis bottoms // Jul 6, 2012 at 10:45 pm

    The front offices are on the phones.. If they don’t deal then I don’t see EG signing the offer sheet.. that is unless he wants to get the 8 extra million and used us as a bargaining chip.

  • 28 nolakid21 // Jul 6, 2012 at 10:47 pm

    It is all about the money. He just wants to get paid. His agent is doing a fabolous job bringing in the desperate Suns to make him feel like a big boy. And to say this guy is going to sign a one year deal and then become an unrestricted free agent is dumb. First off, he has injury problems and that is a big risk on his part. His agent probably would advise against that move. Second, you don’t get paid as much when you are a UFA. Do you think Suns would pay a guy who played 9 games last year the max if he was UFA? No way.

  • 29 Scott // Jul 6, 2012 at 10:47 pm

    Honestly, I don’t want to give the Hornets anything. If they insist on keeping Gordon, fine.

    I think the Suns can find an adequate solution elsewhere, and cheaper. It won’t be the same, but that’s okay. Often when one door closes another opens. Yada yada.

    If it seems like the Suns rejecting a S&T on Gordon is disrespectful to Gordon, then offer up Warrick and Childress, and if necessary, one of the 2nd round picks from the Lakers.

    If the Hornets think they’re going to get a great deal in S&T, then they’re obviously going to go that route. Let them know in advance, “No, if you don’t release him, we’re not going to be trading Gortat and Marshall or any other such nonsense for Gordon. We’re not going to gut our team or trade away our future. Don’t be silly. If you decide to go with the S&T, we’ll make you a minimum offer and you can take it or leave it.”

  • 30 travis bottoms // Jul 6, 2012 at 10:53 pm

    The amount of money he could receive would go up because he would have a higher salary with the qualifying offer and he would also have another year under his belt.. RFA and UFA has nothing to do with it

  • 31 Rich Anthony, (KJL) // Jul 6, 2012 at 10:54 pm

    NoH can have the laker 1st rounders because the Suns will end up using those in a deal similar to this or in a bid to move up in the upcoming draft or the one after that. I’m fine with those.

    If NoH starts asking for the Suns picks which will hold a far higher position, then no. I’ll take my chances with Mayo or Joe Johnson Dragon, let him play off Marshall then run point and keep Bassy around.

  • 32 travis bottoms // Jul 6, 2012 at 10:57 pm

    Your contracts max is based on years played in the league and amount of yearly salary. It can only go up a certain percentage per year

  • 33 nolakid21 // Jul 6, 2012 at 11:11 pm

    He even said that if we offered him the max we wouldn’t even be here. Who knows if that is true, but still is annoying.

  • 34 Scott // Jul 6, 2012 at 11:22 pm

    Jerryd Bayless is now an unrestricted free agent. He’s got a PER of nearly 18.

    11 ppg, 4 apg, 2 rpg.

    Least season he was over 40% from 3.

  • 35 Michael Schwartz // Jul 6, 2012 at 11:24 pm

    I’ve always loved Jerryd. If Gordon doesn’t happen, wouldn’t mind giving Jerryd good money for one year for him to rebuild value and the Suns to get a long look before trying to get a two guard next year.

  • 36 Mister X // Jul 6, 2012 at 11:42 pm

    Michael McNamara says ” You guys seem to forget that the Hornets can match and then move Gordon to somebody else. Houston, for instance, can offer Raps lotto pick and several young assets. ” I was under the impression that if Hornets match offer that Gordon could not be traded for 1 year without his consent . Mr McNamara is clearly asking for far too much in return for Gordon. I personally think that an unbiased fair return for Gordon would be
    Robin Lopez, Kendall Marshall, Suns 2013 1st(top 10 protected), Lakers 2015 1st, Suns 2013 2nd + cash. This would give Hornets 2 young players at positions of need, and 3 draft picks.

  • 37 John Devance // Jul 6, 2012 at 11:46 pm

    I like Michael McNamara trade proposal.Its more then fair imo

  • 38 nolakid21 // Jul 6, 2012 at 11:49 pm

    Pretty sure this was just a smart business decision by the Hornets’ management. Instead of outbidding themselves for Gordon’s services (a la Hawks and Joe Johnson years back), they allowed the market to set his value. And I’m pretty sure that because another team offered him the max, it would actually be less than the max that the Hornets themselves could have offered him (lower salary increases every year because he isn’t technically reupping with his current team). The Hornets just saved money here. Keep calm and carry on.

  • 39 Judd Covert // Jul 6, 2012 at 11:54 pm

    first off: THE TRADE REQUESTS OF THE NOLA BLOGGERS IS ABSURD. Seriously quit your jobs.

    “Gortat is a must. Then give me 2 out of the following three: Jared Dudley, Kendall Marshall, unprotected 2013 pick. Throw in Lakers 2013 1st-rounder too. I actually prefer that package to any that Houston could offer. If they refuse to include Gortat, they would have to give me everything else, 3-4 1st rounders, Marshall, Lopez, and Dudley.” WHOEVER WROTE THIS NEEDS TO START WATCHING THE NBA! We would giving up almost twice the ppg and salary. Since were in the land of dreams, why down you just throw in Anthony Davis and you 2013 Unprotected 1st round pick……

    RoLo and 2-3 picks is fair. They won’t give up Dudley within two weeks of Nash. JMZ has way to much fan pull and they are on damage control with the fans. We will see on the 11th!

  • 40 Jacob // Jul 7, 2012 at 12:20 am

    It’s not like we’re getting Gordon anyway… New Orleans plans on matching… although idk why you’d want to pay max money to an often injured shooting guard who doesn’t even want to be there.

  • 41 Nik // Jul 7, 2012 at 12:26 am

    you guys are ridiculous…i have no idea why you the posts are complaining about nola asking for a high price when phx is willing to pay him 58 mil over 4 years, clearly you guys are setting the price and thinking he is vauable. If you want a high quality player you need to pay a high price…and seriously gortat? real top 10 center you got there! since when did he become untouchable? good luck being relevant with micheal beasley locking down your sf position

  • 42 Lake Roberson // Jul 7, 2012 at 12:29 am

    Michael, as a die hard Suns fan I would just like to say that almost everybody in this comment section is a moron. There is nothing wrong with your proposal.

    I would personally like the Suns to offer Dudley, Lopez, our 2013 1st unprotected, and one of the Lakers first round picks for Gordon. I am one of the rare Suns fans that is not a Dudley nut hugger. Jared Dudley is an average NBA player that our fanbase seems to just adore and consider him an untouchable piece. I however am a little more focused on reality and know that Eric Gordon is a franchise player while Jared Dudley is just another valuable role player that can’t make that big of an impact on the team.

    As a Suns fan I have had to say goodbye to JJ, Stat, Marion, Nash. Saying goodbye to Jared Dudley would be almost as easy as saying hello to Eric Gordon.

    The people that are asking for Marshall + Gortat + multiple first round draft picks are insane. But a cheap average player in Dudley and 2 or 3 non lottery picks for a franchise player? Deal.

    To the Dudley nut huggers, wake up and realize that Dudley can’t even start on a half decent playoff team. I get that he is a fan favorite, but that doesn’t make your team better.

  • 43 Nik // Jul 7, 2012 at 12:33 am

    Also I feel that the hornets will match, which has been their entire rhetoric this whole time… Too much cap room and they need that star power. I can’t see him pulling a stephon marbury. I like Lake Robersons proposal as well if it doesn’t happen.. seriously some of the commentors on this blog are _______.

  • 44 Elviro (Italy) // Jul 7, 2012 at 1:17 am

    copy and glue from my other comment:

    I am very happy with how things are going:
    we took Beasley!
    we re-took Dragic!
    We could take Gordon!
    A new young and athletic team! is what we want!
    A big thank to old glories, but it is time to look beyond (The same argument has been doing my soccer team in Italy [inter])!

    Gordon is fine but if NO does not push the offer, but if you would exchange with Gortat and Marshall would say absolutely not!

    We lose a center that has a double-double almost every game and we lose a promising point guard …

    At this point it would be better to wait, taking Brown and Redd to get something good in the future with space under the salary cup!

    I would not let go Gortat and Marshall, they must be an integral part of our future!

    I would not like the departure of Marshall will turn into a regret as happened to Nash!

  • 45 glyph // Jul 7, 2012 at 1:28 am

    I think the suns have too many draft picks and prefer them over players. I’d go with:

    Robin Lopez,
    Warrick/Telfair (only if NO wants them),
    Suns 1st round pick (2013 – lottery or top-10 protected; 2014 – top 8 or top 5 protected; 2015 – unprotected),
    Lakers 2013 2nd round pick,
    Lakers 2015 1st round pick,
    cash/exception/whatever as needed

  • 46 Michael McNamara // Jul 7, 2012 at 4:01 am

    Thanks for the counter offer Lake. I would consider that if I were New Orleans, and probably take it unless I was offered something better from another team like Houston.

    Two things I want to address:

    1.) Hornets can easily match and tehn trade Gordon. If he hates New Orleans so much, then after we match, we go to him and say “Well, it’s either here for the next 4 years or you can waive your no trade clause and go to Houston, Indy, Port, etc.”

    2.) There is this false narrative that EJ can just sign the QO and come to you guys next year. Look, you guys had a nice welcome party, your weather is great, you have wonderful golf course, and for my money some of the most beautiful women in the world- but Eric Gordon is NOT risking 53 million dollars just for the chance that he can come there next year, if you save money for him. He is getting paid on July 11th one way or another.

    Again, I hold to my offer of Dudley and your 2013 and 14 picks unprotected. I await your response.

  • 47 Ty-Sun // Jul 7, 2012 at 4:37 am

    Interesting discussion. Here’s a counter offer: Dudley, the 2013 & 2014 picks (top 3 protected) and Lopez.

  • 48 cap // Jul 7, 2012 at 5:31 am

    While there are some similarities between Gordon and Joe the biggest difference is salary situation of both teams. Suns had long term commitments to Nash and Marion and looming decision on Stoudemire (who was clearly playing himself into max deal). NOH has literally nothing commited past this season. Once Jarret Jack and R.Lewis buyout come off the books all they have are rookie contracts or small non-guarantees to bench players. That’s why I just don’t see them not matching, regardless of what Gordon says.

    @Michael McNamara: What no trade clause are you talking about? I’ve read that only 2 players in the whole league have full no trade clauses (Kobe and Dirk). And as for trading him after matching PHX offer… that couldn’t happen untli December (league rules for trading newly signed players).

  • 49 Scott // Jul 7, 2012 at 5:40 am

    Is NO making any moves this offseason? I haven’t heard a thing.

    Maybe they’re hoping to replenish their roster with the Gordon trade.

  • 50 Lloyd I. Cadle // Jul 7, 2012 at 6:35 am

    Give McNamara Dudley and the 2013 and 2014 unprotected picks (which he wants) and move on. Not including Gortat and Marshall would be a great move.

    Gortat should be an untouchable.

  • 51 Mike // Jul 7, 2012 at 6:39 am

    NOLA: The reality is the team trading away the asset/star player never gets equal value. Why? Because in these star player scenarios the star player DOESN’T WANT TO BE THERE.

    I’m calling it now: terms of the S&T will be: Lopez, Suns and Lakers 1st Rd picks in 2013.

  • 52 Scott // Jul 7, 2012 at 7:17 am

    @Mike -

    I think you’re still too generous.

    When the Suns traded JJ, they got two mid-to-late first round picks and a garbage player, who was Diaw.

    There’s also no guarantee the Suns retain Lopez.

    If you want to use the JJ trade as the model, you’ve got to give NO a garbage player, not Lopez. (And no, Lopez is not a garbage player if the Suns re-sign him. A garbage player is someone the Suns are trying to get rid of.)

    Or, if you really want to give away Lopez, you reduce the picks.

    Remember, the picks are actually valuable for teams, just historically not in the hands of the Suns. The Suns don’t seem to want to develop players, nor do they generally care for any pick past 13.

    However, with the new CBA picks could be valued more highly. Even by the Suns.

    So I think a deal more like the JJ deal would be Childress (a #6 draft pick who is better than Diaw was for the Hawks), plus a Laker first rounder and a Laker 2nd rounder.

  • 53 Michael McNamara // Jul 7, 2012 at 7:18 am

    cap- if a team matches an offer sheet, that player can veto any trade for up to a year.

    Scott- Hornets are not diving into free agency. Anthony Davis is New Orleans Kevin Durant. OKC never made a free agent splash in the years after drafting Durant. Instead, they did the smart thing and built through the draft and shrewd trades. Bad teams (Detroit Pistons- Charlie V. and Ben Gordon) pay marginal talent big money in FA. Hornets want no part of that.

    Ty-Sun- I will take your counter offer. It’s a deal, as long as Lopez wants no more than 3 years/17 million in the sign and trade

    Can’t wait until this is over with!! Really rooting for you guys to get Gordon. Kid is a punk, a headache, and a me first guy- and yes I said all this before this month. Have wanted him gone since January.

  • 54 haremoor // Jul 7, 2012 at 7:27 am

    If it were me, I’d tell NO to match if they wouldn’t take a first round pick and a couple of seconds. Sure, Gordon has potential – as well as a huge bust potential and long injury history. He’s worth a shot, but he isn’t a guaranteed succes – he’s only been above the average SG once – and that by 10%. This deal needs to be done with house money, and the only players NO should get need to come from a three team deal in which we can use the picks to acquire players to send to NO – unless they want Warrick or Telfair. The Suns are no longer deep enough to lose players, and the max offer to Gordon uses up every bit of our cap space. There’s no point in getting Gordon if we lose the ability to win in the process – better to keep the powder dry and play next year. No Gortat, no Dudley, no Lopez, no Marshall. We got picks – take them or enjoy Gordon. There’s a chance he won’t be disgruntled.

  • 55 DavidA // Jul 7, 2012 at 8:39 am

    How do the Suns look, after kissing EG’s arse about being a cornerstone player, refuse to give up anything of value for him in a sign and trade?

    Don’t look at him as a FA. Look at Gordon as a player under contract you are trying to trade for. Because in all honestly, that’s the true situation. The Hornets hold all the leverage, all the cards. The value of a ‘cornerstone” player has been set: an established vet (Gortat), a prospect (Marshall/Morris), a protected #1, and change. If EG was disrespected by NO not offering the max off the bat, I’m sure he will be more disrespected that Phoenix didn’t want to give up any assets to get him. Then is venom goes right back to PHX, and his heart back to NOLA (with the 58 million).

    If Lopez , a lesser player, is substituted for Gortat, then obviously you need to improve the rest of your offer. That’s where the multiple #1′s and Morris and Dudley come into the conversation. If not, we match, and in a year he’s locked up for 3 more seasons and we can trade him anywhere, except to Phoenix.

    Atlanta got JJ not because JJ forced his way there. PHX could’ve matched, and he would have come back and made his 70 mill and been happy eventually, but let’s be honest: Sarver is cheap. It’s why he sold Luol Deng, sold Rajon Rondo, let JJ walk, etc. You guys could’ve been a dynasty. In fact, looking back, PHX under Sarver and NOLA under Shinn may have been the worst run franchises of the ’00′s (except the clippers of course).

  • 56 Ava Ellis // Jul 7, 2012 at 8:40 am

    Offer Robin Lopez, Jared Dudley,and the Lakers first round picks. Nothing more. And if NO says no, sign Jerry Bayless, the most under-rated free agent out there.

  • 57 Ava Ellis // Jul 7, 2012 at 8:41 am

    Type. Make that Jerryd.

  • 58 Mike // Jul 7, 2012 at 8:50 am

    McNamara, I agree Gordon is a head case and i too remember his commit-non-commit thing that he pulled on Illinois. I’m actually a bit surprised the Suns are going after him and Beasley, both not the high character guys the Suns typically go for. But if you know longtime Suns history they WILL take a chance on a potential home run (see Richard Dumas).

    That said, I’m NOT one of these “our FO sucks” guys and will take a shot that they’ve seen something from these guys that will show something different.

    I got the impression from the video of his interview that, yes, the Suns had a great pitch but it was more than that. His immaturity definitely comes through …. No eye contact, asking to repeat the question, etc. There was no calm about him. Even he probably doesn’t realize this but the whole situation with NOLA is probably as simple as their front office didn’t make him feel important, didn’t take the opportunity they had these last few months to lock him up mentally and the Suns DID. Then he’s not mature enough to say calmly yesterday, “Look, I’ve never been sold on the vision in NOLA, but I am sold on Phoenix. Maybe they have a good vision to sell in NOLA, but clearly they’re more interested in selling to and building around the two guys they drafted. That’s fine. It’s time to move on.”

    Also don’t be surprised if players like Gordon DO take the a 1-yr deal and hope for the best a year later. That’s exactly what Chris Paul and Nick Young just did. So I wouldn’t be surprised at all if Gordon took that route. Remember this CBA is new and both sides will look for unexpected ways to work around its limitations.

    Scott I agree on the garbage player but I’m just not sure we can count on NOLA coming out of the monkey tree to see what the reality looks like on the ground. After losing Paul and now Gordon there’s only so much they’ll probably give on.

  • 59 Mike // Jul 7, 2012 at 8:58 am

    DavidA you’re reading too much into the JJ similarities. It’s really very simple … Either a player wants out, like JJ did and Gordon does, or they go get a great offer and if they don’t hate their old team they keep quiet (see Batum).

  • 60 Josh // Jul 7, 2012 at 9:03 am

    Every major source says that we’re matching the offer and keeping Gordon.

  • 61 DavidA // Jul 7, 2012 at 9:20 am

    Mike,

    If I’m DD, I tell EG, “We tried to help you get to Phoenix, but they didn’t think you were worth Marcin Gortat and a draft pick. That’s how much they REALLY wanted to build around you.”

    Then, he’s Ego has been stroked, his venom is re-directed to Phoenix for not showing him the ‘quan’ and he comes back to NOLA and tries to drop 40 on the Suns every time they play.

    Thing is, when you’re dealing with simple minded people, it’s fairly easy to manipulate the situation.

  • 62 haremoor // Jul 7, 2012 at 9:21 am

    DavidA, (and Josh)
    You are absolutely right. NO holds the final card, and can match. But if we’re getting into trade territory, do you think Gordon is the only player out there available in a trade? What do you think we could get elsewhere for Gortat, Dudley, and a bunch of picks? Fact is, you can win, but it will be a pyrrhic victory. There is no downside for Phx for having tried to sign him for the max, and being outflanked by RFA rules. We made him an offer that was the max, and he took it. There is no obligation in anybody’s eyes to go farther than that – except maybe NO fans.
    I actually hope you’ll match. I question whether Gordon is worth what we offered him – he might be, but it’s much more likely that he’s not – especially if he’s not happy, and being a team-mate of Austin Rivers is not likely to make him happy. Or maybe he’ll get hurt. The chances of a good outcome for NO is slim if you match – especially since he can’t be traded without his consent for a year. So please, match the offer.

  • 63 Cam // Jul 7, 2012 at 9:41 am

    IMHO a fair trade would include: Robin Lopez @ 3 yrs/17mil S&T, one of the following three players ;Warrick/Childress/Dudley. If Dudley is the player then the Suns give up the Lakers unprotected 2013 1st and a 2013 and 2014 2nd (1st of the 2 2nd round picks the Suns posses in each year). If the Hornets decide to take Warrick/Chilly they can have a top 7 protected 2013 and 2014 1st (top 3 protected and then unprotected in later years).

    I think that equates to a fair trade with both parties getting proper compensation.

    I’m actually hoping the Hornets and Suns don’t pull off a S&T. I think the Suns have reloaded well and can use their future picks to land a stud SG in the future at a lower cost overall (picks/salary etc.) for the Suns. It also keeps the Suns in a good position salary cap wise. They may be able to procure a stud for little to nothing just because of the insane penalties about to be imposed on teams over the cap.
    Go Suns.

  • 64 Scott // Jul 7, 2012 at 9:41 am

    I just don’t agree with the idea that the Hornets “have all the leverage” and the Suns need to sell the farm in order to get this “prized” RFA.

    The Suns like Gordon, see where he could fit for the team, and made an offer. They’d like to have Gordon. But he’s not the only player. If NO wants to match on Gordon, the Suns can find other solutions.

    In no way is there a gun to the Suns heads, forcing them to take Gordon at any price.

    If Gordon feels slighted by the Hornets, that’s nearly a completely separate issue. The Hornets say they intend to match, so for their sake I hope they really want him.

    I’d like to see the Suns interview Bayless and Mayo.

  • 65 JD // Jul 7, 2012 at 9:48 am

    The Suns need to think about trading Gordon for Lou Willims. By this I mean let NO match, and Gordon gets paid. Suns go after the less productive but less expensive Williams who is now a UFA. The saved cap space and intact roster allows the Suns to continue proper rebuilding and flexibility for 2013 free agency.

  • 66 Edward // Jul 7, 2012 at 9:50 am

    Gordon will play for the suns he won’t to

  • 67 Cam // Jul 7, 2012 at 9:51 am

    I agree with haremoor. Worst case scenario the Suns are lottery bound with Shannon Brown at the SG position. The Suns find a way to get Shabazz (Watched him here in Vegas, the kids a freak) by using their picks to trade up, Beasley plays like a beast for two years on a rebuilding team and the Suns flip his cap friendly contract for more picks, the cycle continues on the road to relevance and onto the Suns first ever NBA Championship in 2015-2016!
    Go Suns

  • 68 Mel. // Jul 7, 2012 at 10:07 am

    … just to toss in two quick bits, here:

    The Hornets’ writers and fans are officially the best rival franchise “poster culture” that’s ever shown up on this board.

    After having to suffer routine influxes of Mavs, Laker and Celtics bandwagoners and goofballs for the entirety of the last two years, it’s rather nice to see a group of team supporters who you wouldn’t be tempted to mug-whip if this conversation were taking place in a realtime fashion.

    Carry on, please. This is good stuff.

  • 69 Josh // Jul 7, 2012 at 10:10 am

    I would accept either Gortat or Marshall and Suns’ 2013 unprotected first-round pick as a Hornets’ fan.

  • 70 Cam // Jul 7, 2012 at 10:42 am

    @Josh: I think Gortat should just be considered unavailable in this trade scenario. If the Hornets want a big then you get to choose between Lopez and…….Lopez. He is a young, true 7′ center. Although Gortat is older I don’t see the Suns parting with him. Especially not when it’s allot harder to find a bigs in the NBA. The reason Lopez is available is because no one really knows what they are going to get with him. He’s got potential, he just hasn’t put it all together yet. I would say Marshall is a no go to but with Dragic signed I don’t think the FO is too worried about their PG position right now. I personally don’t think either should be available for trade. Go Suns.

  • 71 GoSus // Jul 7, 2012 at 10:51 am

    I dont think we should include marshall in ny trade but he shouldnt be untradeable unlike gortat, if we must give him up and the fo agrees then im fine with that, @JD i kinda agree about lou williams, but i think he should be an option after whatever goes down with gordon and mayo, id say he might be the next best option after those guys

  • 72 glyph // Jul 7, 2012 at 10:59 am

    The more I read about the situation (courtesy of VotS & BSotS) the more it feels like the JJohnson trade of 2005. Back then JJ was an up and coming SG with yet no all-star appearances, a player who barely missed time, and his 1st free agency.

    JJohnson for Boris Diaw (back-up) & 2 1st rounders (1 mid-late 1st and 1 conditional).

    Thus, asking for Gortat or Dudz, and perhaps Marshall seems too much. I’d still offer:

    Robin Lopez,
    a conditional Suns 1st rounder (2013 top-10 protected, then it becomes a 2014 unprotected),
    a 2nd round 2013 pick (Lakers),
    a 1st round 2015 pick (Lakers),
    cash, Warrick/Telfair as needed.
    I’d say that’s already a generous offer for a player who has no all-star appearances and has missed significant time. *wink*

  • 73 James // Jul 7, 2012 at 11:20 am

    I love how people are coming on here claiming to be Suns fans and agreeing with the Hornets bending over the Suns. Seriously those people who think they are fooling anyone are just funny. The Suns and their fans have been through a RFA deal like this, Suns have the advantage. Also Suns can not trade their own picks 2 years in a row. This just shows how much knowledge Nola people have. Please wake up from your dreams Nola fans.

  • 74 DBreezy // Jul 7, 2012 at 11:28 am

    This dude isn’t even going to make us a playoff team next season and people are falling over themselves to give up unprotected picks and more? No thanks, I’d rather let NO match and move on with cap flexibility and draft picks. Getting restricted free agents is tough, especially when their team has no cap issues. Time to move along unless Gordon can piss them off to just let go, which he is trying poorly to do.

  • 75 Lloyd I. Cadle // Jul 7, 2012 at 11:31 am

    haremoor –

    The Suns are not trading Gortat. They have waited more than 40 years to finally have a good NBA center. Fact is, the Suns might have had five or six NBA titles by now had they had a Gortat caliber center in the past.

    He is still pretty young, athletic and most of all — healthy. He is an easy double-double and potentially an 18-10 guy.

  • 76 Lloyd I. Cadle // Jul 7, 2012 at 11:36 am

    Michael -

    Are the Suns at all interested in Mayo? He seems to have much of the skill set as Gordon and a pretty good citizen as well….

  • 77 Roger // Jul 7, 2012 at 11:43 am

    @McNamara

    I thought under CBA, Suns can’t trade their own back to back 1st round picks! So here are two scenarios that might work.

    Option 1: Dudley + Suns 2013 1st (top 7 protected) + Lakers 2014 1st + Suns 2014 2nd

    Option 2: Dudley + Warrick + Suns 2013 1st (top 3 protected) + Lakers 2014 1st + Suns 2014 2nd

    Option 3: Dudley + Warrick + Childress + Suns 2013 1st (unprotected) + Lakers 2014 1st + Suns 2014 2nd

    Pick your option w/Suns taking back some NO fillers to make salaries work for both teams.

  • 78 haremoor // Jul 7, 2012 at 11:49 am

    LLoyd –
    Where did I say trade Gortat? I wouldn’t trade Gortat – he’s in the top 20 in about 8 or 9 significant statistical categories, plus, he’s played very few NBA minutes, and has never been injured. Read what I said – a first and two second picks is all I’d give up – that’s kinda why I sad “No Gortat, no Dudley, no Lopez, no Marshall.” I wouldn’t even give up Lopez, if it was me – he’s Goran’s BFF, and he’s freaking 7 feet tall. We need a quality backup center.

  • 79 Michael McNamara // Jul 7, 2012 at 12:05 pm

    Roger

    Again, Phoenix can trade their 2013 and 14 picks because they have the Lakers picks. Rule says that you cannot owe picks in consecutive years if you dont own any other picks. Since you have Lakers pick in 2013 and both picks in 2015, you can trade your 2013 and 14 picks. Heck, you can trade Hornets 2013 through 2015 picks, but I won’t be that greedy.

    I am a nice guy, so just 13 and 14, along with Dudley for your “cornerstone”

    This is what I don’t get. Gortat is so good that he is “untradeable”, right? Plus you have the immortal Goran Dragic and now a cornerstone in Gordon. Why do you want protection on your picks? Wouldn’t the Suns be unstoppable with all these guys you all are unwilling to give up and Gordon?

    No protection needed, right?

  • 80 haremoor // Jul 7, 2012 at 12:08 pm

    I’ll say this as well –
    Asking for Marshall or Lopez along with picks is reasonable – I just wouldn’t do it. And definitely not Gortat or Dudley. We just gave up arguably the greatest PG of all time – is Gordon worth more than Nash? What did we get for him?

  • 81 Lloyd I. Cadle // Jul 7, 2012 at 12:09 pm

    haremoor -

    Sorry. I read it too fast. Good comments!

  • 82 Josh // Jul 7, 2012 at 12:26 pm

    Sorry. If y’all won’t give us Marshall or Gortat and your unprotected pick, you’ll have to find another cornerstone.

  • 83 glyph // Jul 7, 2012 at 12:38 pm

    @McNamara

    Protection is necessary, as was in Joe Johnson deal (see my earlier post above) which are very similar situations, IMO.
    Besides, Gordon poses risks (arguably more than JJ) especially since he played only 9 games, and there’s a chance this is a chronic thing, or the risk that he may not recover 100% long term.
    Also you may try to sweettalk us by calling Dragic immortal or calling us unstoppable team w/ Gordon, but to be honest even w/ Gordon, Gortat, and Dragic, (no all-stars, but arguably borderline ones, w/ Gordon being the closest), my first impression of this group for this coming year is at the level of Utah (borderline team w/ good players, and one possible all-star in jefferson), a Denver or Memphis (best) or a Sacramento/GS/Minnesota (worst).

    Protection is thus necessary.
    I’d consider giving a starter like Gortat/Dudlet only if Gordon was already an ALLstar for a strong West conference for his age, + being injury-free

  • 84 haremoor // Jul 7, 2012 at 12:50 pm

    That’s fine, Josh. I’ve made my decision, and you’ve made yours. Now let’s see what happens!
    Should be fun.

  • 85 incubus // Jul 7, 2012 at 12:50 pm

    @McNamara

    we want Protection because assuming we give you guys everything you are asking for that would make us by far a worst team then we already are. we are now the ny knicks, we wont trade the whole team for one player. we are not in a win now mode. we just wanna get better but not if it means blowing your load on one player like the knicks.

  • 86 Roger // Jul 7, 2012 at 12:53 pm

    @McNamara

    Thx for clarifying trading 1st round picks. Yes, you’re a nice guy indeed coz you know the CBA rules but as expected, you’re asking too much in return.

    As for the protection, it’s prudent to ensure good picks against any freak injury to one of the stars or any other mishap like Beasley’s past behavior resurfacing in PHX. Besides, it’s too early to predict chemistry considering Suns are losing two veteran leaders in Nash and Hill.

    Let’s see who blinks first – DD or Babby.

  • 87 Lake Roberson // Jul 7, 2012 at 12:56 pm

    Michael, I like your counter of Dudley and our 2013 and 2014 picks. I’d do that in a heartbeat. If New Orleans refuses that I would throw in a little bit of cash too, as well as Lopez if the Hornets want him.

    I would give up Gortat, but if you get rid of him we automatically have one of, if not the worst frontcourt in the NBA. That can’t happen. If you say Gortat plus a 1st round draft pick for Eric Gordon I would say that it sounds like a great deal, but with our situation we just can’t do that.

    And this is kind of unrelated, but does anybody know if Beasley can play Power Forward if we sign a Small Forward like Mayo?

  • 88 Lake Roberson // Jul 7, 2012 at 1:02 pm

    I also agree with Michael that we don’t need the picks to be protected. If we have a team of Dragic/Marshall Gordon/? Beasley/? Morris/Warrick Gortat/Frye will easily make the playoffs each year. So sure, take the picks unprotected. I’m not scared of that because you aren’t getting a lottery pick anyways.

  • 89 Ash // Jul 7, 2012 at 1:15 pm

    Give them our 2013 pick with top 3 protection, it’s a very weak draft so even if we end up giving up the 4th pick, it’s equivalent to giving up the 9th pick in last weeks draft, so that isn’t a big deal.

    Marshall is interesting, the Suns have made a big deal about him but I’m not a fan, New Orleans would love to have him, put him in the deal.

    Lopez or Gortat? Lopez, simples. Lopez is an asset to a team, he’s young, big, errrrrr that’s about about it but the Hornets need a center, Gortat is too much to give.

    Anything else? the Lakers 2015 might be decent, who knows what their team will be like in 3 years, it has minimal protection and could easily be top 20, it has value, put it in the deal.

    So that leaves a package of Kendall Marshall, Robin Lopez, the Suns top 3 protected 2013 pick and the Lakers draft pick in 2015. Seems like a very fair deal for both sides.

  • 90 Lake Roberson // Jul 7, 2012 at 1:20 pm

    Ash, you really think we need a top 3 protection with a team of Eric Gordon, Michael Beasley, Goran Dragic, and Gortat?

    I am hesitant on Marshall. I would hate to trade him before he puts a Suns uniform on. I see him being one of the best PG’s in the league some day. Why not just give Dudley instead? Dudley, Lopez, 2013 and 2014 picks unprotected and if that barely falls short, throw a bit of cash in too. New Orleans would be pretty dumb to turn that down IMO.

  • 91 Ash // Jul 7, 2012 at 1:33 pm

    Lake, I wouldn’t mind if it wasn’t protected, we wouldn’t be a team with a shot at a top 3 pick. But it would be nice to have it top 3 protected if the entire team got injured or something like that. So yes, I don’t think it needs to be protected.

  • 92 Michael McNamara // Jul 7, 2012 at 1:40 pm

    Okay- you have swayed me. I will accept that:

    Dudley and 2013, 14 picks Top 3 protected for Eric Gordon

    Do we have a [theoretical] deal?

  • 93 Lon Babby, Lance Blanks and Robert Sarver // Jul 7, 2012 at 1:46 pm

    Michael, we have a deal.

  • 94 Lake Roberson // Jul 7, 2012 at 1:48 pm

    Do you think the Hornets FO would do that?

  • 95 Michael McNamara // Jul 7, 2012 at 2:22 pm

    Hornets front office would obviously ask for more and also take in other offers from around the league, but if this was the best offer on the table, I think they take it and move forward with a slow, OKC style rebuilding plan.

    Personally, I think you all would miss the playoffs in a strong WC this year, but pick wouldn’t be any better than 10 and who knows with next year. Hornets, without Gordon, have a top 5-10 pick of their own next summer to pair with PHX lotto pick and TONS of cap space and flexibility.

    Best case scenario for both teams IMO, but if Houston offers Raptors pick and some of their young talent I think Hornets would match and move Gordon to Houston instead.

  • 96 Lake Roberson // Jul 7, 2012 at 2:29 pm

    What would Houston most likely offer?

  • 97 Lake Roberson // Jul 7, 2012 at 2:34 pm

    I would just hate to see Houston get him. I might even throw in the 2015 Lakers pick. I really want him

  • 98 ConcernedSunsFan // Jul 7, 2012 at 2:41 pm

    What bugs me the most is that NOLA has not said a single thing about the whole situation. We arent sure if the two teams are talking for that matter. Im just crossing my fingers and praying that a sign and trade goes through

  • 99 Mel. // Jul 7, 2012 at 2:50 pm

    ^Dude, Gordon basically just threw the franchise under the bus by setting this whole mess in motion. I’m not surprised that they haven’t gone public with their plans: having been accused of basically “drafting Gordon out of town on a rail,” it’s in their best interests to keep their cards close to their chests.

    Otherwise, the Suns–and the pundits–are basically affecting a posture of “doing NOLA a favor” in taking Gordon off of their hands, even if it means that max money flush. Tough to get traction for a sign-and-trade for anything legitimate when you look like a bunch of low-rent dopes who have inadvertently torqued off your supposed “marquee player.”

    Of course, they look similarly conflicted if they match the Suns’ offer and try to sign Gordon for a max-money deal after he’s basically pointed out their lack of commitment and competency, but… it’s basketball. Stranger things.

  • 100 ConcernedSunsFan // Jul 7, 2012 at 3:18 pm

    I guess so, but it would be reassuring if we knew that they were at least talking about a sign-and-trade.

  • 101 Mike // Jul 7, 2012 at 4:31 pm

    I can tell you why NOLA hasn’t said anything. It’s because the teams are working on a trade, imho. I’m going out on a limb, but it’s what i think. It’s the same reason Coro has gone a bit quiet. I have been a Suns fan for 22 yrs and for however long Coro has been writing he goes strangely silent before a big announcement. Just look at how quiet his Twitter account went before the Gordon agreement was announced.

    Believe me, the teams are talking.

  • 102 ConcernedSunsFan // Jul 7, 2012 at 4:44 pm

    I did notice what you mentioned about Coro. I asked him two days ago if NOLA was interested in RoLo and Marshall, and he said “We’ll do whatever we can to get EG” (or something along the lines of that). Then I asked him twice if the Suns/Hornets have been in talks, and well, no response. I hope you’re right about them trying to work something out, because we really need Gordon if we’re gonna make the playoffs next year.

  • 103 Scott // Jul 7, 2012 at 6:05 pm

    Since the Suns had made an offer to Gordon before the Nash deal, it could be that the Suns had already worked out the basis of a sign-and-trade with NO before the Nash trade. This would also explain why there’s silence between the NO organization and Gordon.

    In which case, it could be that the fruits of the Nash trade were intended from the start to go to NO for Gordon. Which would make the trade, from the Suns’ side, basically Nash for Gordon.

  • 104 tb // Jul 7, 2012 at 6:52 pm

    how about we give u Lopez, 2 lakers picks and 1 suns pick

  • 105 Lake Roberson // Jul 7, 2012 at 9:54 pm

    What other times has Coro gone silent?

  • 106 Lake Roberson // Jul 7, 2012 at 11:50 pm

    I really think Babby and Blanks’ reputations are on the line here. This will either make or break them to me. They better not screw this up

  • 107 dmaples03114 // Jul 8, 2012 at 1:23 am

    research. .

    Phx gets Howard from Orl. Gordan from Nola.

    ..Nola gets from Phx Lopez, 2 protectded1st rouners and Marshall and from Orlando Hedo and JRich

    Orl, getting rid of Howard, Hedo, and J rich, get Gortat, Warrick, Brooks, Childress Telfair, and both LA 2nd round picks along with the best of Phx’s 1st next season, and Best of Phx 2015 1st rounder

  • 108 dmaples03114 // Jul 8, 2012 at 1:38 am

    the only way this dont work is if Howard rd doesnt extend with suns as part of sign and Phx deal in which frye may have to leave phx and or Nola and Orl have to deal additionally

  • 109 Scott // Jul 8, 2012 at 9:33 am

    @dmaples -

    Keep in mind that the sticking point on Howard trades has been that he keeps saying no to EVERYONE except the Nets.

  • 110 Lake Roberson // Jul 8, 2012 at 3:07 pm

    That’s actually an interesting trade, and that might be the first Howard trade that is fair.
    So our team would be Dragic/? Gordon/? Beasley/Dudley Frye/Morris Howard/?

    The only problem is that we cant sign and trade Brooks, according to Coro because he didn’t play for us last year. And how much cap space would we have to fill out the roster?

  • 111 Kyle // Jul 9, 2012 at 12:06 pm

    Its plain and simple. We OWN the rights to eric gordon. Hes playing basketball next year for somone. If you want him on pheonix ur giving us Robin Lopez, Kendall Marshall and ur un protected 2013 first rounder. Simple

  • 112 Shawn // Nov 2, 2012 at 11:20 am

    Hornets looking silly now.

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