How the Suns can use Hedo Turkoglu on offense

Posted by on July 22nd, 4:55 pm

PHOENIX — The biggest question regarding Hedo Turkoglu’s fit with the Phoenix Suns is clear-cut: Can he play the power forward position effectively?

Yes that is a valid worry considering Turkoglu’s perimeter-oriented game and the Suns’ slew of swingmen. But the never-ending options the 6-foot-10 forward gives the Suns offensively far outweigh the negatives from his lack of big man skills.

No, he isn’t going to grab 10 boards a game or shut down Pau Gasol and Tim Duncan, but he will create mismatches all over the floor and leave head coach Alvin Gentry with more offensive sets and variations those sets than you can imagine.

When Gentry described Turkoglu on Wednesday he couldn’t stay away from the word versatility, which is exactly what Turkoglu will bring to the Phoenix Suns’ offensive attack.

“He’s a multiple-position player. I think he’ll play two, three, four and maybe even in certain situations five,” Gentry said. “That’s the great thing about having him as a player. Whatever you need at that particular time, you can plug him in and I think that’s what he’ll be able to get done for you.”

Here are a few ways Gentry and the Suns can utilize Turkoglu offensively:

1. Running the show

Gentry must have used the word “facilitator” over 10 times when talking about Turkoglu, and there’s a reason why. Turkoglu has spent the majority of his career with the ball in his hands and the Suns seemed extremely excited about Hedo taking some pressure off Steve Nash and taking over playmaking duties.

This is a guy who’s averaged near five assists per game the last couple of years and can really create for others. Here’s a shot of Hedo driving left and finding a cutting Sonny Weems for a dunk:

If Turkoglu is in fact slotted at the power forward position, imagine opposing big men trying to defend him off of the dribble. He’s very good at setting up his teammates off the dribble, but he can also score for himself as a point guard thanks to his ability to create space and get his jump shot off.

He only shot 37.4 percent from the field out of isolation plays last season, according to Synergy Sports Technology, but scored 42.6 percent of the time for 0.88 points per possession.

However the biggest benefit that comes from Turkoglu playing the point isn’t only the plays that he creates, but also that it turns Nash into a spot-up shooter.

“It will allow us to play Steve off the ball some and it will allow him to be sort of a spot-up shooter or a catch-and-shoot guy,” Gentry said, “because I think Hedo’s very good at creating situations for other players.”

Gentry talked at length about playing Nash off of the ball as a spot-up shooter, and pointed out that people forget he’s the only player ever to shoot at least 50 percent from the field, 40 percent from three and 90 percent from the line in five different seasons.

With Turkoglu as a ball handler the Suns add one of the NBA’s best shooters as a spot-up threat and benefit from the mismatch Turkoglu creates with a power forward guarding him, whether it’s by way of a bucket or an assist.

2. Pick-and-roll ball handler

The pick and roll is the focal point of the Suns’ offense, so it certainly doesn’t hurt to add another guy who is effective running the pick and roll. Turkoglu was the ball handler in the pick and roll in 27.7 percent of the plays he was involved in last season.

Although he only scored 0.77 points per possession as the pick and roll ball handler, Turkoglu has proven throughout his career that he can produce out of the pick and roll, which should only continue in Phoenix.

Here he uses his ball-handling ability and craftiness to split the double team and get all the way to the hoop for a layup:

His speed is deceptive and big men hedging screens don’t expect a player that big to drive hard to the hoop, so he often surprises people.

Turkoglu also uses the pick and roll to get off threes easily. Because forwards are used to going under screens rather than fighting over the top, Turkoglu oftentimes pulls back for a triple when he sees daylight. Here’s an example:

Gentry was discussing a variation that he ran when he coached the Pistons in the mid-90s. He was describing when Grant Hill would run the pick and roll and Joe Dumars would be the screener.

This works similarly to the conventional pick-and-roll in that the point guard will most likely have a wing, or in Turkoglu’s case, a power forward switched out onto him. I doubt we’ll see Nash setting a lot of picks next season, but it’s certainly another variation that wouldn’t otherwise work if Hedo wasn’t a capable ball handler.

3. Screener, spot-up shooter

The one area that Turkoglu doesn’t excel at is as a screener. In fact he completed one play as the screener in a pick-and-roll situation last season, and it resulted in a blocked dunk. But if Robin Lopez is down low, Turkoglu could be extremely effective as a pick and pop player.

“I just think in this case we’ve got another guy who can stretch the floor,” Gentry said. “He’s a really good three-point shooter.”

He has the size to set a solid screen and the stroke to fade to beyond the arc and do some damage, like what Channing Frye does with the bench unit. He is clearly a different player than Frye, but has the size and stroke to pick and pop with some success.

But where he will flaunt his three-point prowess most is in spot-up situations. Turkoglu scored an impressive 1.12 points per play in spot-up scenarios last season, while shooting 38.7 percent from three in those situations.

He took a spot-up jumper 22.8 percent of the time and shot more threes and field goals out of the spot-up position than any other play type, which bodes well when you have Nash probing through the lane and creating.

“When you have Steve Nash handling the ball, and in my opinion he’s the best guard in the league at making plays at the end of the game, it just gives (Nash) another three-point shooter and another guy he can throw to that can then create a play for somebody,” Gentry explained.

4. High post

As he’s been used as a primary ball handler for most of his career, Turkoglu hasn’t been used in the post much. But one place his skills could be used effectively is in the high post. He’s not a very good mid-range shooter — 38.3 percent from 10-15 feet and 32 percent from 16-23 feet last season according to Hoopdata.com — but his court vision could be great out of the high post.

“He’s got an unbelievable feel for the game,” Gentry said. “His basketball IQ is very high.”

Because of his playmaking ability he could also attack the hoop out of the high post and play a lot like Boris Diaw did when he was with the Suns. Rather than dumping it down to a power forward on the block like a lot of teams do, Phoenix can run its offense out of the high post, which still gives Turkoglu a chance to create for himself or others, while occupying the paint and keeping the floor balanced.

5. On the block

No, Turkoglu doesn’t have a jump hook or an up and under, but he will most likely have smaller players defending him from time to time to combat his playmaking on the perimeter. If this is the case you can throw him on the block where he can use his 6-foot-10 height advantage to fire barely-contested turn-around jump shots.

He has a nice fadeaway when he pivots on his right foot and turns over his right shoulder. Here are a few examples:

This certainly won’t be one of Turkoglu’s main duties with the Suns, but it is one of the many offensive options that Turkoglu creates on the floor. So while he may not be the prototypical power forward, his versatility and ability to play any position gives the Suns endless options offensively.

Mike Schmitz

Mike Schmitz is a former ValleyoftheSuns writer who now works as an assistant video coordinator for the D-League\\’s Bakersfield Jam. He specialized in video breakdowns for VotS.

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11 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Marinez // Jul 22, 2010 at 10:48 am

    WOW i like the article i hope the best for the suns and if they can get one more piece like a true back up center think the suns would be a big time threat i mean the suns are the best 3 point and field goal team in NBA history and not with hedo we have 5 or 6 players that can hit a 3 and now with the j-Chill and j-Rich, Warrick and grant hill those guys can slash to the rim and watch robins going to be better than last seasons we got a good squad wouldnt you say? we just need that center well i heardthe hornets are looking to shop okefor lol sarver says he would spend the money well lets see what happens

    GO SUNS

  • 2 Mel. // Jul 22, 2010 at 11:25 am

    Honestly, if this plays out like it's being sketched, then the Suns are going to be a hell of a spoiler. They may not have the firepower of the top-tier championship threats, but anybody who watched Nash in Game Six of the WCF–where he flipped into shooter mode and put on a clinic from eighteen feet out until having to revert to distribution mode–knows that he's still packing one of the deadliest teardrops in the league.

    The fact that Nash is also the kind of guy who–like Kevin Garnett–can be told that he needs to switch gears and will immediately do so without floundering or bitching about his stat-line is a huge, HUGE plus. This whole Turk thing might turn out to be a bust, but this article makes more sense in terms of Phoenix's reasons for bringing him on than anything else I've read.

  • 3 suns68 // Jul 22, 2010 at 10:14 pm

    I’m glad that Gentry is thinking about Hedo at center. I think that Lopez could be more effective as a defender and rebounder at the four spot against most teams.
    When you look at it, some of the times the Suns have gone deepest in the playoffs have been with undersize centers with skills you usually don’t see at the position — Adams and Diaw (Hey look, I can pass), Chambers and Frye (Come out here and guard me, Fatso).

  • 4 Mike Meez // Jul 23, 2010 at 12:15 am

    I think Gentry is talking about Hedo as a 5 when Lopez is in foul trouble or when Suns want to play small ball. If Lopez is in the game he’s going to be the center and he’s going to have to match up with opposing centers from several teams for the Suns to win (namely against the Lakers). Hedo and Frye are both options as backups…not ideal but they’re the next tallest so it’s by default.

  • 5 suns68 // Jul 23, 2010 at 6:33 am

    Hi Mike,

    I like Hedo and I think he's a good addition.

    Problem is, most of the studs in the western conference are at power forward.

    I'm not sure Hedo can guard them effectively. I'm not entirely sure Lopez can either, but he seems to have a better chance because of his size and length.

    Most of the western conference centers are pretty slow. If they have to chase Hedo (or Fry) out on the 3-point line, that opens things up in the middle for Nash, JRich and Hill to do damage. I would advocate Lopez at 5 when the opponent has a big center who can actually score.

    As for the Lakers, well, about our only chance is to try to outrun and outshoot them anyway, so it probably doesn't really matter that much who's the four and who's the five. Except on the defensive side of things where I'd definitely have Lopez on Gasol.

  • 6 Eric Perlman // Jul 23, 2010 at 9:03 am

    Hedo is one heck of a player, even if you only take into account his ill-fated year at Toronto. I live in Central Florida and got to watch him with the Magic for two years. If Hedo plays for the Suns the way he played for the Magic, watch out, because in 2009 Hedo was the Magic’s primary ball handler the second half of the season, particularly in the playoffs.

  • 7 Mel. // Jul 23, 2010 at 4:32 pm

    I’d agree with the Lopez comment, suns. He did alright as a body against Gasol during the WCF, save for some overzealously physical play that practically spoon-fed Pau’s floppy paint technique.

    Robin needs to let his head catch up with his body (And his hair), and he’ll be a heck of an asset.

  • 8 Jim C. // Jul 26, 2010 at 8:54 am

    Why does the evidence presented in this article instill confidence in the ability of Tukoglu to excel in different roles or help ease the ball handling responsibilities from Nash? This article explains that Hedo doesn’t play on the block or in the high post, and is much more efficient as a spot up shooter than in isolation or the pick and roll. The Suns already have Nash and Dragic to share ball handling responsibilities, so if either of those two are on the court, I would rather have them creating offense than Hedo. What this article actually explains, if one reads the statistics specifically provided, is that Hedo will be best as a catch and shoot player when Nash is penetrating. I think the Suns have plenty of spot up shooters; plenty of small forwards too. Now if they just had a player that could rebound marginally, demand even a small amount of attention from opposing defenses, have the ability to get to the free throw line every once in a while, and finish inside…..

  • 9 WoodrowHowe // Jul 27, 2010 at 2:04 am

    Turkoglu is a safety option as a ball handler to turn the pg into an attacker, which would have been a deadly combination if Barbosa was still there. Turkoglu draws the attention of the opponent’s top defender, so an ace like Bowen does not rotate onto Nash. I see two weaknesses that the Suns may have to figure out as the season goes on. One is finding a backup forward that is active and can give the opponent different looks, possibly Oberto, Joe Smith, or Amundson (as a last, but safe option). The Sun’s defensive strategy is built on quick feet, active hands, and balanced floor spacing, not hulking bodies. The second is the team’s ability to score in the paint. Opposing teams would most likely focus their defense on Richardson who was the second slasher behind Stoudemire. It would seem that Warrick will have to fill in as the primary or secondary slasher.

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