Free agency 2010 Day 2: All about Amare now

With Channing Frye committed to staying in Phoenix, the free-agent focus on Planet Orange is now solely on Amare Stoudemire. The future looks grim as far as STAT wearing purple and orange, but there’s still an outside chance.

In the (highly likely) event that the Suns can’t retain their All-Star forward, they’ll certainly be looking to find a replacement. Could Frye be their solution? Will they pursue David Lee? Only time (and probably very little time) will tell how the Suns cope. Valley of the Suns keeps you posted on Day 2 of the 2010 free agent frenzy.

5:16 p.m. – In a clarified report, Paul Coro of The Arizona Republic has reported that the Suns won’t renounce Stoudemire’s rights until July 8, but notes that there aren’t any sign-and-trade scenarios that would benefit the Suns.

3:34 p.m. – Ken Berger of CBS Sports has cited a source “with knowledge of the negotiations with the Suns” as saying that in order to make a play for Hakim Warrick, the Suns had to renounce Stoudemire’s rights, eliminating the possibility of a sign-and-trade.

Berger also reports that Stoudemire’s concern with committing to the Knicks is the possibility of being the only All-Star on the team. The Knicks cleaned house to make way for LeBron James and another All-Star, but could end up with just one. The pressure would then be on Stoudemire alone to fill the void of a failed attempt to land LeBron/Wade/Bosh, something that can’t be attractive to him.

12:00 p.m. – For those with David Lee still in their minds: Marc J. Spears of Yahoo! Sports reports that he may still be involved in a sign-and-trade, but so far no scenario involves the Suns.

10:20 a.m. - Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo! Sports has the latest update on Stoudemire’s destination and it looks like he’s headed for New York. Wojnarowski reports that STAT and the Knicks are close on a five-year max deal worth $100 million. The deal could be done as early as Friday.

A landing in New York would reunite Stoudemire with former Suns coach Mike D’Antoni, whose system he thrived in (not to say he didn’t thrive under Gentry).  The report says that both sides aren’t each other’s first choice, but Stoudemire has to like the five guaranteed years and the Knicks are starting to sweat, worried they might get shut out after making great efforts to clear cap space.

The first season of the contract would pay Stoudemire about $17.2 million. Well, maybe he gets to keep wearing orange after all …

8:37 a.m. - Paul Coro of The Arizona Republic is now reporting that the deal Stoudemire turned down was a five-year, $96 million offer with stipulations based on how many minutes he played. Looks like the minutes restrictions were a deal-breaker for Amare, as it was believed he would accept a five-year deal in Phoenix.

It looks like the Amare era in Phoenix is officially over. It seems completely obvious that STAT is gone. Even more convincing in this matter was the agreement with Hakim Warrick. Coro’s update reports that the sixth-year forward’s deal will be for four years and $16 million, with possible bonuses pushing the value to $18 million.

8:16 a.m. - The Phoenix Suns have agreed to a four-year, $18 million deal with free agent forward Hakim Warrick, according to Yahoo! Sports’ Marc J. Spears.

The 6-foot-9 performer spent time in both Milwaukee and Chicago last season, averaging 10.2 and 8.7 points per game, respectively, for those two squads. Warrick is known for his length and athleticism, which should bode well for him in Phoenix.

If this news doesn’t all but solidify that Amare Stoudemire will not return in Phoenix, I don’t know what will. Sprears reported that the Warrick agreement came after talks between the Suns and Stoudemire “stalled” late Thursday night. Robert Sarver reportedly offered offered a three years of $71 million guaranteed, with a fourth and fifth year partially guaranteed, depending on how many minutes STAT would play in the first three seasons.

Spears also reported that the Suns believe Amare is about to receive a five-year maximum deal from the New York Knicks, which you would have to believe Stoudemire will take.

-Mike Schmitz

12:27 a.m. – Yahoo! Sports’ Adrian Wojnarowski reports that the Houston Rockets are offering Shane Battier, Trevor Ariza and Luis Scola in deals for Amare Stoudemire or Chris Bosh.

Scola would have to first re-sign, as would Stoudemire or Bosh to the terms the Rockets agree on, before the swap could be made.

Not long ago though, The Arizona Republic‘s Paul Coro mentioned that the Rockets prefer Bosh. Houston has sort of become the wild card in the Amare sweepstakes, but that in itself isn’t shocking, as the Rockets were the team trying to snag Stoudemire in the 11th hour at the trade deadline. Stay tuned for more updates on this story.

11:01 p.m. (July 1) – ESPN’s Marc Stein solved the mystery that was Dirk Nowitzki’s Thursday travels, and apparently they included a stop in New York, where the German big man visited with his old pal Steve Nash.

According to the report, sources said it wasn’t a recruiting visit. Nowitzki is the godfather of Nash’s twin daughters and the two obviously have a non-basketball relationship as well.

The report also notes, as we all mostly knew but didn’t necessarily want to accept, that the Suns just do not have the cap space to make a legitimate bid for Nowitzki, especially after agreeing with Channing Frye on a five-year, $30 million deal Thursday. The Dirk/Nash reunion remains a pipe dream, but you have to imagine they at least broached the subject … or joked about it? Maybe?

Tags: Amar'e Stoudemire Channing Frye Dirk Nowitzki Hakim Warrick Houston Rockets Phoenix Suns Phoenix Suns News Phoenix Suns Rumors

  • Jasper Buckleman

    Unfortunately, I don't think they can afford David Lee anymore.


    Another thing i would not have paid channin frye that much because he cant work on the bloick has no defense i would have rather payed some of that money to lou and let chanin walk because channin frye didnt even show up in the playoffs neither did amare it was all about our bench play who kept us in it

  • Michael Schwartz

    @Rick Well, with Frye for $6 mil and $Warrick $4 that would only leave about $3 million in cap space. Dealing LB would get them to about $10, which still wouldn't be enough to be a player in this market. Unfortunately as Jasper said, looks like it will be the big free agent signing. Perhaps with J-Rich expiring they'll be able to make somewhat of a splash next offseason??

  • Mel.

    I fail to see how Sarver's to blame for this. It sounds like he was willing to break Amar'e off at the terms he and Happy initially laid out, but that the Suns' efforts to at least insure their investment (Assumption being that they were trying to limit STAT's mileage through the minutes clause; not force him to play more) were met with the hardline.

    So, hey. Without an intimate perspective on what was said or done, I'm at least going to be satisfied that Sarver tried, which is a hell of a lot more than most of us were expecting two weeks ago.


    And is it jus me or dont we need a big center down low bcause we all know that robin lopez was soft in the paint in the playoffs gettin his shot block and kept complainin like it was a foul

  • Brandon

    Well that about wraps up the Suns big off season. Amare a Knick, going to make big money but I don't see them winning titles. I don't think Amare cared about going deep in the playoffs, he just wanted to get a max deal.

    Maybe it was an ego thing? Sarver opened his wallet and offered 5 years 96 million with the last 2 years based on minutes played (which is fair considering his history) and he didn't want it.

    As a die hard I must say I'm dissapointed. I'm not sad he's gone but we are going to miss his offensive presence. We now have Fry, Warrick, Lou (he is prob gone though) and Clark for PF's….Seems like to many role players to me. I feel for Nash, wish there was someway we could have got Dirk…

    Sarver opened his wallet but I don't agree with any of his decisions…

  • Michael Schwartz

    Yeah, a real nice core, but need another star. I think it would be important to move LB's contract before next offseason so you could make a big splash upgrading the SG with J-Rich also off the books.

  • Eli

    Please this is very important but if we are not able to sign back amare as much as we want him back .. We still HAVE to make an attempt at dirk. Yes your sayin not happening deffinetly bcus if signin of frye BUT if he really desires a ring he would want to team up with his buddy nash for ONLY 2 years at a mid-level contract so he spend it with nash final years and then begin a new larger contract!

  • Andy

    Channing Frye replacing Amare is a joke. We would be back to where we were two seasons ago, maybe worse. Frye is probably the worst defender in the league. I think he’s a great addition off the bench, but starting PF???!!! David Lee is the perfect solution. He’s what we’ve wanted for so long, a work horse. His offensive rebounds will give him second chance points and allow Nash to focus on everyone else.

  • Brandon

    If that deal from the Rockets is legit I seriously think we have to look at it. All those players basically play the same position but we could involve another team and go after a solid PF. Its obvious Amare is gone (not that I’m that sad) but we NEED a low post presence.

  • spree

    with out amare the suns will not make the playoffs. I don’t know how nobody noticed how amare put phoenix on his back 2 bring them in the playoffs. He’s the league second half m.v.p. Nash was hobbled and old all season so the suns changed the offense and featured stoudemire more and that was the turn them around. they went from 9th seed to the 3rd seed in the playofffs with stoudemire averaging 27pts and 10rebs. they was predicted not to make the playoffs but made it to the western conference finals. Fuck the suns they can’t appreciate the best big man in the n.b.a!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • TRX

    David Lee is not the perfect solution, but he is the best solution… provided the Suns don’t have to overpay for him either. David Lee seems like a $10-11m player to me, but in this market, I’d be willing to bet he’ll get a contract upwards of $13-14m.

    He’s a good passer for a big man, a solid offensive rebounder (slightly less good than Amare, though) and a much better defensive rebounder. Right behind Dwight, tied with Noah, for second best in the league, actually (by DRR). Right at average in terms of shooting (for centers playing 30+ mpg) <10ft, but quite above average from 10ft+.

    If the Suns somehow end up with Lee, gotta hope his shooting wasn't a lucky year and he works on his defence and the Suns will be fine.

  • TRX

    @ spree: They also made the Conference Finals the one year Amare was out.

    He scored this time around (25 PPG on 16 FGA, 11.5 FTA), but rebounded and defended just as well as five years ago.

  • Kevin

    I would take Houston’s trade – we need defensive stoppers, and Scola’s a decent PF.

  • Brian

    Scola and Battier sign and trade!

  • Kyle Fleeger

    I hope you’re happy Amar’e haters. We now get to start Hakim Warrick or Channing Frye at PF… I am afraid I am going to become one of those Owner haters.

    Robert Sarver has at least shown he is thrifty

  • Rick

    Any news on trading leandro barbosa to open up some cap space to sign a David Lee or possibly dirk or a dynamic scoring and rebounding PF?

  • Jasper Buckleman

    Please tell me Hakim Warrick isn’t going to be our big free agent signing of the summer. Sarver, you’re still an idiot.

  • justin

    @Michael Schwartz… could we get lee in a sign in trade with the knicks if Leandro is involved? We all know how much Dantoni like LB and he would be a god wfit with the knicks… possible?

  • Dave

    The Houston deal is AMAZING!!! If Sarver is smart, he will make a sign and trade Stoudemire and LB to Houston for Ariza, Battier, and Scola. Scola is a fine PF, Battier is a good defender, and Ariza is still not hit his prime. Houston offer is better than going after Lee. Also, Sarver pull out of the Warrick offer. The team is getting full of big PF’s.


    I find this amare stoudemire situation funny how can you pay somebody that doesnt rebound and play defense but he always want to play offense and doesnt really score that much points I would rather have a person like david lee who is going to work on the block get me rebounds and he can score on the outside and he has a tremendous post game and gives you a 100% everygame

  • Al

    I hope the new Suns team does well this year; but if they suck, I hope Sarver trade Nash and Hill to a title contending team by the end of the 2011 All Star break and give those 2 guys the opportunity they deserve at a Championship ring.


    But i dont have no problem with hakim because he can rebound and pl;ay defense so i think that a good pick up but far as channin frye gettin paid all that mioney to be shitty in the playoffs i dont understand he did good in the regular season but wasnt good in the playoff way to go suns and he has no defense and has no post moves i hope he is workin on it now

  • Mike Meez

    @Al, beat me to the punch. I know we would all hate to see Nash go but I think the Suns should at least consider trading Nash at this point. Consider the following:

    - Though they were the 3rd seed, the Suns were only 4 games above the 8th seed and only 12 games out of 9th place. Without Amare and with Hakim Warrick it is a very real possibility that the Suns don't even make the playoffs now.

    - While this is a HUGE free agency summer, there are very few quality free agent PGs. Lakers just signed Steve Blake and he was considered one of the best available.

    - Chicago, New York, New Jersey, and Miami all cleared a bunch of cap room for just a few top free agents. They can't all get more than 1 and one or two of the teams may not get any of the big names. For example, Amar'e is currently reluctant to go to New York because he doesn't want to be the only star.

    So the Suns should have tremendous leverage in trading Nash right now. And if we're not championship contenders I don't really care if we're rebuilding. Plus, it would be nice for Nash to have a chance to be a contender.

    Just something to consider. Then again, if Nash wants to stay I wouldn't trade him. Or if Suns could pull off some deal for David Lee or something else unexpected.

  • Rick

    @ Michael Schwartz: OK i do see that we would be out of the PF race but say we trade LB for some extra picks and Cap relief. We could possibly sign JJ Redick or Kyle Korver to replace him and still have the cap space to make a big splash next year and be able to get some extra youth via draft

  • Marinez




    @ brandon i feel the same way everybody need to face the fact that amare does not want to play with us we offered him the money and he didnt take it but he will take an offer from the knicks who has no shot of makin the playoffs woooowwwwww has no point guard mcgrady is washed up i mean he jus wantedt the money he doesnt want to play 4 a contender he knows what he doin watch amare be a bum now he got what he wanted now he can sit back and relax he is not even worth all that money he playsa no defense or grabs boards

  • Tyler Lockman

    @justin and all other concerned: it looks like the Suns have renounced rights to Stoudemire and that effectively kills any possible sign and trade.


    amare stoudemire is going to the knicks and will have no other people to play with he doesnt want the rings he wants the money who does the knicks have nobody he will be the only star on the team shake my head @ amare for that choice man

  • Mel.

    I can’t imagine a worse scenario for STAT than winding up in New York without backup. That market is absolutely MERCILESS, and a mercurial superstar like Amar’e would be getting booed the first time he didn’t pull a 30-10-5 line.

    Though to be fair, this is what the guy wanted. If it came down to four million dollars and some stips about playing time between heading to NY and hanging with PHX, then I have to say that his heart’s not with the Suns anymore. Can’t blame him, but this Knicks thing just sounds like a real timebomb in the making.

  • KeZ

    I Love my PHX team, but let´s face it! They aint gonna win a ring with this team! Let them rebuild next year…….

  • David

    So let me get this straight, we grossly overpaid Shaq for a year, then we overpaid Richardson for a year, but the thought of even slightly overpaying Amare has us ready to blow up a team that made it that deep into the playoffs??? SO WHAT IF HE'S NOT WORTH THE MAX!!

    We're not buying diamonds here. What we get for our money will always be unpredictable. Why are we trying to assess an 100% accurate value for Amare. He's security for this team in that position. We know what we're gonna get and how to work with that. Sometimes you wind up paying more than you'd like for peace of mind. Sarver, you have ruined the rest of the summer for every true SUNS fan if we indeed lose Amare.

  • KeZ

    David, I hear you man!

  • Brandon

    David, you make some fine points. Although I must disagree. Yes we traded for Shaq, it was a knee jerk reaction to the Lakers getting Pau, and in hind site; the wrong decision. The trade for J-Rich actually turned out for the best. As much as I love Raja, he was declining and Diaw was so unpredictable. At least J-Rich is some what consistent and can do more than shoot 3′s. Rememeber how good the Suns were when he scored over 20ppg?

    As for Amare, there has never been a play who frustrates me more. All that talent, yet he doesn’t apply it to his defensive game. And like it or not, a true PF has offense and defense. You want examples? I give you Tim Duncan, 4 titles with a sold core around him, and that man could play some defense. KG, while he did the very best he could with what he had in Minny, his D nor his effort or leadership were ever questioned. He went to Boston and was the heart of that defense. These two guys are leaders, and worth max contracts. Amare is not.

    He can be the best offensive PF in the game but as we’ve seen that won’t be enough. In the first two WCF games he should have taken over, instead he was frustrated by their length. He could not contain Pau and we payed the price for it. Bottom line, Amare is prob the best #2 in the league but doesn’t have the leadership skills, nor defensive/rebounded to be a true cornerstone of a franchise.

    The deal that Sarver gave was more than fair, he has a history of injury that he over came yes, but i saw nothing wrong with the stipulation of minutes played.

    So in conclusion, so long Amare. You got the $$$ you wanted, I don’t think your going to fair well in NYC and we will see just how good you are with out Nash. I only wish you could have tapped your potential and lead this team through hard work and a team approach. Offense wins game, defense wins championships.

  • Fuck Suns

    Dude Amare is my favorite player, u bitches think he aint got Defense like KG or Duncan, but bitches think about what he does offensively. Did u all pricks see his 42 point game against Lakers. Why werent u talkin shit that day about Stoudemire. It dosent matter if he dosent have that defense, he makes it up with his offense. If he signs with the Knicks, see how the Knicks turn there franchise around and then u nerds would be talkin about what a bad decision was to not resign amare. Suns = Pussys

  • A.j

    STAT can only explode for 40 points only a few times. We’ll see how much he’s truly worth when he doesn’t have an All-Star PG like Nash. The knicks won’t have a PG like Nash always feeding him the ball.