Suns Rumors: Should the Suns trade Amare?

Amare Stoudemire's future with the Suns is kind of up in the air right now. (AP Photo/John Bazemore)

Amare Stoudemire's future with the Suns is kind of up in the air right now to say the least. (AP Photo/John Bazemore)

PHOENIX — By now you can barely open an Internet browser without hearing another rumor about Amare Stoudemire.

And it’s only going to get worse from here.

That’s good news if you own a basketball blog and don’t mind discussing all the scenarios, many of which likely lack even a shred of truth to them; that’s bad news if you’re a struggling basketball team trying to maintain focus.

But as Alvin Gentry said, “We can’t do anything about it, I mean, we can’t control what you guys write or what is said or what’s going on. The bottom line is that we’re here and you’ve got to try to win games, and whatever happens from there happens from there. I don’t know of another way to approach it other than that way right there because we don’t know what’s going to happen.

“Obviously he can’t control it, I can’t control it and no one else in the locker room can, so our goal has to be to try to play the best basketball we can play, and then when something happens you can deal with it from there.”

Depending on who you talk to you might think Amare is heading to New Jersey, Miami, Minnesota, Chicago, San Antonio, New York, Cleveland, and seemingly every other team in the league this side of the Lakers.

Knowing Amare and his penchant for sounding interested in every city in the NBA, this will only intensify in the coming weeks unless he takes the stance he did after Tuesday’s game of not discussing it with reporters.

What we know is that the Suns and Amare are not close on a long-term deal. All along I’ve thought the only way an extension with the Suns would happen is if STAT tests his value on the market, sees other teams agree with Phoenix’s assessment that he’s not a max player and then signs an amenable extension.

It’s also more than possible that Amare will take one final look at his $17.7 million option and decide one more year of limbo at that salary isn’t so bad. This is an underrated option that STAT will have to seriously consider.

As this flowchart shows, there are many possible ways this will be resolved. The Suns first have to decide the price point at which it is worth extending Amare. They seem to have decided he’s not worth a max deal, and can you blame them? A max guy should be a best player on a championship team type of guy, and raise your hand if you see Amare becoming that player.

He deserves second banana money, and if it comes to that, we can only hope the Suns would dish it out. I still maintain the best possible resolution of the Amare situation is signing him to a reasonable extension, but you can’t blame the Suns for not wanting to put all their eggs in the Amare basket.

If they decide it will take a miracle for Amare to change his asking price, then you obviously have to engage in trade talks, and that’s the stage we’re at now.

But remember the Suns engaged in plenty of trade talks last year at this time as well as around the draft, and nothing happened. The Suns were sent offers of crap and thankfully declined to pull the trigger.

Of course, this time they are facing a bit more desperation. Before there was always time on their side. Now there’s no time, just the disaster scenario of Amare leaving for nothing and the Suns still not having enough cap space to adequately replace him.

If an offer that includes at least one young stud (preferably a big), a second decent player, cap relief and picks comes in, the Suns should not hesitate to end the Amare Stoudemire Era.

The thing is, I don’t think that offer will come in, at least not at this point in time.

Think about it. Why would a team make that kind of a deal when it’s doubtful if they will even keep him? You can’t give up a major future building block for a guy who might bolt in a couple months, especially if you are a bad team to begin with. And even if you’re a good team, can Amare push you over the hump while losing a major asset in return? On the Daily Dime Live chat on Tuesday we discussed a number of scenarios, but I’ll believe it when I see it.

The only teams that should be chasing Amare are organizations like Miami, Chicago and New Jersey that might actually be able to sign him long term after their two-month trial. Miami makes a lot of sense from the standpoint of keeping D-Wade happy and the fact that STAT is from and still has a place in Florida. The Bulls and Nets are other potential landing places for their ability to keep him as well.

But I still don’t get why teams like that would give up a major asset when they aren’t winning this year anyway and can wait a few months and sign him for free. Plus, if they make the trade now they will be that much more pressured to overpay for STAT before seeing if they can win the LeBron jackpot.

The names that keep getting tossed around are enticing. Rubio, Jefferson or Love from Minnesota. A combination of Yi, Lee, Terrence Williams and CDR from New Jersey. Michael Beasley from the Heat.

And then there’s that San Antonio rumor, and just because a few sources say San Antonio is mulling over such a deal doesn’t mean there’s much of a chance of it happening. The pieces don’t match up, and I don’t think Kerr would be able to show his face in Phoenix again if he made a bad trade with the loathed Spurs.

There will be tons of smoke, there will be tons of rumors and there will be more distractions than a basketball team deserves to take on.

But I will give Steve Kerr the same advice I have given him in this blog during the last two open seasons on Amare: Don’t panic. Get quality assets for Stoudemire or don’t trade him at all.

You’re on the clock, Kerr, and the next few months will determine if you go down as a genius or a moron in Suns lore.

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  • Amare admitted he did not have energy “at all” in the first half Tuesday against the Bobcats when he went scoreless and grabbed just one board while being limited to just 5:45 of action because of foul trouble. This after a 16-point, five-rebound effort in Utah in which Boozer and the Jazz killed him on the boards, you have to wonder where his focus is at. Now more than ever the Suns need him to keep his head in the game, and that’s for the team as much as it is his trade value.
  • Channing Frye on the situation: “I’ve been in talks, and [Amare's] just got to understand that it’s just rumors. He has to stay with us. I think him and J-Rich understand this is a business, and for us we really need them to win. There’s nothing we can do about it, so you’ve got to continue to play and understand it’s a big season for us. These guys have been through it once or twice before, and I think we just need to definitely just show them our support and definitely just help them through this time.”
  • When a reporter asked Gentry how Amare should handle all this trade scrutiny, he joked, “Same as Tiger did.”

Tags: Amar'e Stoudemire

  • Bastian

    If that's your oppinion, you're really wasting your time on this site, dude :)

    About the tradetalk, only rumor I've heard, which the Suns should go for, is Luol Deng+Tyrus Thomas for STAT. In this system, Thomas could turn into Amare light (plus he's a better shot blocker), and Deng is having an underrated year, I think he would be great with our team.

  • Ryan

    Amare has a huge ego and will never admit he isn’t worth max player. I would trade Amare for Beasley and Q-Rich’s expiring contact in about 3 seconds. Beasley reminds me of a young Amare minus the ego…atleast I haven’t heard of an ego. I’m sure the up-temp system and Nash could do wonders for Beasley and Beasley would be very motivated. The other trade…which I call the dream trade is where the Suns trade J-Rich, Amare Stoudemire and Earl Clark (which would be hard to do) for Caron Butler, Antwan Jaminson, and Mike Miller or a combination of Haywood/James/Foye. Either way, we would get two solid players and save 10 million dollars to throw to a nice piece in the offseason. Washington would get the chance to have a franchise player in Amare to re-sign if they think he is worth it or between his contract, j-rich, and the other players they have coming off the books they would have over 40 million dollars coming off the books, not including if Arenas contract gets voided they would literally get to rebuild the franchise in one summer with a loaded free-agent class and a high draft pick.

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  • Asani

    That is one of the dumbest trade proposals I have ever heard or read Ryan. You would trade Amare the best offensive big man in the game for Q richardson and Beasley? Two inconsistent players cannot compensate for a beast like STAT. Bottomline is the suns don't give this guy the ball enough and it shows with their performances. There isn't a trade that the fans would like for Amare but you have to at least get a rebounder and a outside shooter who can play defense as well. They need to trade Gentry for a real coach

  • Brent

    Whatever is going to be done needs done YESTERDAY! Quick jerking around the fans and team.

    As someone who has watched every game but 1 this year, STAT is one of the primary reasons for the inconsistencies of the past 2 months. The first month he knew he wasn't there offensively and gave all out rebounding and defensive effort. Now that he is back as a primary option offensively, his defensive effort is pathetic.

    Give Amare KG's effort and determination and he is a top-5 championship caliber player, but right now he is just a scorer who has never reached his full potential.

    Unless he wants to become the player night in and night out we all know he can be – get rid of him.

    As a fan, I would rather watch Lou Amundson's limited offensive abilities but balls out play night after night as opposed to the inconsistencies of Stoudemire.

    Sadly, EFFORT (in particularly defensive effort) is the primary reason for the last 2 months.

  • KeZ

    Hi guys. I am the new GM for the Phx suns. Im about to trade Jason Richardson to the Washington Wizards for Mike Miller(expiering contract) and Deshawn Stevenson(expiering contract). See how the season goes with them and if it turns ugly let them hit the free agent market and sign som quality players. And i really hate to say this but amaré is going to Houston for Luis Scola, Carl Landry and a first round pick! Now, if i was in mr. Kerr´s shoes i would never ever trade our franchise guy (amaré), but thank u god for that! If a trade goes down with amaré……send him to Houston!

  • martinez

    its funny how people and all this blogers bring up this names in trades and the reason why its fun is cuz THE GOD DAMN SUNS DRAFTED THEM OR GAVE THEM AWAY IN PAST YEARS (DENG,JOE JOHNSON,SERGIO RODIRIGEZ,RUDY FERNANDEZ,RAJON RONDO, STEPHEN JACKSON, QUIENTON RICHARDSON AND GOD KNOWS HOW MANY DRAFT PICKS. its time for kerr to right the wrongs of this ball club and look toward the future we all know this team and what ever trade they do is not going to get us far in the playoffs or in them at all lets stop kidding our selves we have a nice group young tallent so lets keep getting younger and lets get some draft picks i hope if we do trade j rich or amarie it should be to secure us for the next 2 years to be an unstopable threat like the blazers or OKC "theres nothing in hell thats going to stop thos 2 teams from being the top dogs for the next 4 years" and how did they do it THROUGH THE DRAFT PEOPLE! so we should do the same the only diffrenece is, is that we have assets to get us rebuilt faster than thos other clubs unless there names are KOBE, LEBRON in the trade discussion then why waste your time with a bandaid for the problem unstead of nurturing the wound so it can heal!


  • jdawg

    San Antonio in the house… we will take amare off your hands and y'all can have ginobilli and blair. I would have to say that would be a straight up fair trade, y'all probably getting the better deal. Even though I should hate amare, I love him. He's got the abilities the spurs need to overcome the slump they've been in. With him and duncan on the same court, with the rest of they're roll players, spurs could not be stopped.

  • Glen Danzig

    I could care less at this point or for the nba anymore for that matter …not as fun as it used to be.

  • KeZ

    Jdawg. Kerr is stupid……..but NOT that stupid! Do you really think your beloved San Antonio will have the smallest chance to land Amaré? Compare that to a dog trying to hump a cat! It doesn´t work very well……

  • Shawn

    LOL @ Glen! Chicago would never do that Bastian although I agree it would be great for us. The Wizards trade would be a nice exchange if possible. Miami sounds to be the most likely option based upon all the info given and would give us something to build with for the future which I think is Kerr’s/Suns best direction to go in. I hope he doesn’t screw this one up! With the way the team is faltering, giving up leads continuously I know isn’t out the norm but, I think it has a lot to do with the focus of Amare and Jrich being in trade talks.

  • Vince

    @ Ryan, that trade is very fair for both teams. Personally if this trade happens, I would hope they get Butler, Jamison and Haywood. Haywood gives the Suns a rebounding and defensive presence. Jamison is considered to be an underrated rebounder and he can also jack up 3′s. Butler provides scoring and a perimeter defense. But, the problem with this trade is that the Suns don’t get any younger. Jamison turns 34, Butler turns 30 and Haywood turns 31. By the way, did anyone hear about some sort of trade involving Amare being dealt to the T’wolves for Ricky Rubio??

  • KJ Loyalist

    Amare Stoudemire is an offensive beast. Key word in that would be "offensive" and I think a lot of people need to understand that.

    There have been championship teams constructed around such players. These players also played very limited defense. They were not on the team to play defense. There were other players around them to carry them in this area.

    Amare will never be a defensive dynamo. Get over it.

    What he is though, is a disgusting offensive force who, because of the system he has been brought up in, still hasn't developed a back-to-the-basket type of game to compliment that dazzling mid range jump shot and face-up ability. This is why every team in the league, apparently, is sitting outside PHX lobbing offers towards the suns as if this were a tennis match.

    I never understood why it's such a big deal to "get something in return" for a player who has played out his contract. That is what a contract is. You honor your contract and then you do as you wish. In most cases that don't involve Memphis, the trade made ends up costing that team in the long run.

    If I were running things in Kerr's place I'd kill all trade talk. I'd tell Amare to go out and play ball. I'd tell him that the facts are we will not give him max money. I'd remind him that his option @ 17 is beyond fantastic for one year and because of Steve Nash, I'd remind him that even without the ability to offer a 2010 free agent a max contract, they can offer Nash as the guard and have a shot at bringing in another piece.

    Otherwise, Amare walks and the Suns move on. Amazingly the Suns do have a pretty good crop of players to keep around Nash. The pick and roll becomes the pick and pop as Frye takes over and Lopez continues to grow. Clark gets more time as does sweet Lou and Dragon along with Studley.

    On top of that, if PHX is able to move J. Rich, (which I think is far more important), the Suns will have money and a pretty good team with a dynamic point guard and another in training to lure a top tier or two second tier players to the valley.

    As Suns fans I know it hurts, but we've had great 4's before and we'll be able to land another one of Sun Tzu moves on. We've had great teams before and it looks like we might not be so great soon, (we're average right now). We've got some great young players that we hopefully hold onto this time around and slowly add to them.

  • Artur Mascarenhas

    What everybody seems to forget is that Stoudemire came through major injuries, which is beautiful, but definitely makes him a time-bomb. For how long will he be able to play at this level?

    I wouldnt bet my future on Amare. Nothing personal, just considering his health.

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  • Shawn

    Sad thing is if Amare does go some place else you can pretty much guarantee he'd put out a mean effort on rebounding and blocking as he did in his early years with phx. As much as I like his talent, I feel he is broken being here in phx and will never be the ultimate all round player he claims he wants to be.

  • Josh

    The Suns have all the offense they want. The problem with the Suns is not offense; it's DEFENSE. They have plenty of players that can score; but nobody that plays any defense.

    Suns should trade STAT to Chicago for Tyrus Thomas and Kirk Hinrich. With Thomas, you get a big that is off the scale in terms of athlecism. He hustles, blocks, rebounds, steals.. plays defense. He is the polar opposite of STAT. He's not going to scare you on offense; but will cause havoc on defense.

    Hinrich is a tough player that will take on the other team's best player. Look at what he did last year in the playoffs. He was five inches shorter than Paul Pierce; but bothered him constantly in the playoffs.

    STAT for Thomas and Hinrich. Do it now!!!

  • NJ

    WTF??? Amare- 22 pts. 1 rebound in the Dallas game?! SELL SELL SELL!

  • Troy

    3 way trade

    GSW: VC and STAT
    the warriors get starpower and maybe start selling some more tickets. Get rid of bad contracts andd get bad ones in return so no harm there.

    Suns: Randolph, Pietrus and Raja Bell expiring contract
    suns get young fast and maybe even get a first rounder in this deal

    Orlando: Monta Ellis and Corey Maggette
    TheVC thing in orlando isnt working out at all. ellis is a guy that can definately score.

    i think each team would do this deal but this of course would never happen because gms are too scared to take risks.

    Why isnt the 3 team trade used more often? it seems like every deal can work better if you add a team in there.

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  • Yazzie yazz

    Im a big fan of the PHX Suns.. But honestly i think that the Suns should trade amere and hes a great plaayer and great shooting inside the paint …..hes still young and we all agree that he wants to get the W's and be happy . He said "Money is not an issue"wining the championship is the issue…if i was amere i would honestly would get the trade.. Sure he played with Steve Nash one of the Hall of Famers and he has a great head coach in PHX….