Sebastian Telfair traded to Raptors for Hamed Haddadi

Posted by on February 21st, 12:23 pm

Phoenix Suns point guard Sebastian Telfair will reportedly be shipped to the Toronto Raptors in exchange for Iranian big man Hamed Haddadi and, more importantly, a second-round pick, according to ESPN’s Chris Broussard and CBS Sports’ Ken Berger.

The second-round pick is reportedly protected.

Update (5:45 p.m. MST): The trade is official and is the lesser of a second-round pick of the Raptors and the Sacramento Kings in the case that the Toronto selection is not a top-36 pick.

Haddadi, 27, was part of the deal presumably for no other reason than to make the salaries line up. He is making $1.3 million this season and has a team option for next. With Phoenix still with Marcin Gortat and Jermaine O’Neal on the roster 45 minutes before the trade deadline, the 7-foot-2 Haddadi does not appear to have a future with the Suns.

He was traded from Memphis earlier this season in a throw-in to the Rudy Gay deal, but he never reported to Toronto because of visa issues, according to the Toronto Sun.

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38 responses so far ↓

  • 1 BoomShakaLuka // Feb 21, 2013 at 12:27 pm

    “The 7’2 C does not appear to have a future with the Suns.” Excellent work Babby. Do us a favor and trade yourself for a bag of shit.

  • 2 bkkkkkkkk // Feb 21, 2013 at 12:40 pm

    Nice fill in…. but I think the team should draft another Center in June.

  • 3 SkyBill40 // Feb 21, 2013 at 12:47 pm

    Worthless. I would have much rather see them send Kendall Marshall. At least Telfair can play D and get the ball in the basket.

  • 4 SkyBill40 // Feb 21, 2013 at 12:47 pm

    Worthless. I would have much rather seen them send Kendall Marshall. At least Telfair can play D and get the ball in the basket.

  • 5 bkkkkkkkk // Feb 21, 2013 at 1:01 pm

    @SkyBill40 Taking the Wesley Johnson example, it may cost you a 1st round pick to dump an unserviceable lottery pick.

  • 6 SkyBill40 // Feb 21, 2013 at 1:31 pm

    @bkkkkkkkk You might be on to something there. While the old adage of “one man’s trash” would fit here, I suspect the Suns would have had to part with one of those picks as you’ve said. They’re hoarding picks even if they end up wasting them as they’ve had a tendency to do.

  • 7 john manhole // Feb 21, 2013 at 1:35 pm

    The fact that BoomShakaLuka and SkyBill40 don’t see this move as a positive is simply baffling to me.  They took a far-below-average, aging PG who would have been gone at the end of the year anyways (with nothing coming back in return) into a future 2nd rounder than is likely to be in the 30-40 range.  For a little perspective on what that can actually turn into, I’m going to randomly select a couple of draft years and show you if there were any good players that came from that range of picks.
    Round 2, Pick 3 – Brandon Bass
    Round 2, Pick 4 – CJ Miles (I’m not all that impressed with Miles, but he most certainly has his moments)
    Round 2, Pick 6 – Ersan Ilyasova
    Round 2, Pick 10 – Monta Ellis
    Round 2, Pick 2 – Gilbert Arenas
    Round 2, Pick 6 – Brian Scalibrine (the greatest leaper the game has ever seen)
    Round 2, Pick 9 – Mehmet Okur
    That’s two random years, and I found 6 guys out of those 20 picks I would much rather have on my team than a guy like Telfair (who, again, would be gone at the end of this year regardless with nothing in return).  This move has NO downside.  Only upside (although, admittedly, the chances of that pick turning into a quality piece are probably around 30%.  Still, I’d rather take 30% than 0%).

  • 8 BoomShakaLuka // Feb 21, 2013 at 1:44 pm

    @john manhole You need a bong rip dawg. Tweet Beas and K-Marsh for the hook-up.

  • 9 bkkkkkkkk // Feb 21, 2013 at 1:52 pm

    @SkyBill40 Disagree. Babby said he will take his first round pick as his blood in the interview yesterday.

  • 10 john manhole // Feb 21, 2013 at 1:52 pm

    @BoomShakaLuka  @john
     You need some things as well, but I’m not going to go out of my way and uninvited to tell you what they are.  You just need something to whine about, I understand, but keep your thoughts concerning me to yourself “dawg.”

  • 11 4everis2long // Feb 21, 2013 at 2:25 pm

    I am just glad we did not trade any 1st round picks.

  • 12 DBreezy // Feb 21, 2013 at 2:31 pm

    @4everis2long Yup. The rest is a rotation mash up for Hunter to figure out as he’s likely going to have to sit some more vets down the stretch to get a good look at some of these guys.

  • 13 REALtalkREAL // Feb 21, 2013 at 3:38 pm

    Trading telfair was best for team moral , hes a bad seed and he spreads his whiney stuff all over the locker room and I thin Goran should be playing 42 mins a night anyway, as for the front office they are one of the worst in league history, im a suns fan 30 years and am frustrated like crazy. We are saving money becausr sarver is an idiot and no one is going to come play here because of him. Last word , Lindsay hunter has to be the coach and do whats best for the team , why the heck is tucker starting , gimme a break coach , beasley or johnson need to start ASAP.

  • 14 SkyBill40 // Feb 21, 2013 at 3:51 pm

    @bkkkkkkkk What does that mean? That he’s keeping it or he’s going to see who he can bleed for it instead? I wouldn’t be surprised to see the FO trade away the pick for vets instead of a rookie. This is considered to be a weak draft, too. No telling what happens until the draft comes around.

  • 15 bkkkkkkkk // Feb 21, 2013 at 3:58 pm

    @SkyBill40 It means he prefers to keep 1st round pick and he values 1st round pick cautiously. You can see that they were not trading Eric Gordon with picks and said they didn’t want to take a step forward and another step backward. However, he never says never. If there is a very attractive deal on the table, he will trade those picks but it needs to be very attractive deal for his point of view at least.

  • 16 SkyBill40 // Feb 21, 2013 at 3:59 pm

    @john manhole I don’t like it since I felt that Telfair got hosed. He was playing well in his role as a backup and deserved the minutes over Marshall. The only reason he’s no longer the number two is because management no longer wanted to be viewed as imbeciles for their lottery pick sitting on the bench despite it being where he belongs. Marshall is terrible and should have stayed in school. It’s hard to argue that fact.
    On the pick, it’s a crap shoot. For every one gem you find, you get 25 washouts.

  • 17 4everis2long // Feb 21, 2013 at 4:01 pm

    @DBreezy  @4everis2long One other thing it is telling me DBreezy is, there are some coaches who do not think much of University of Kansas forwards, at least not recently. All three, Robinson, Morris and Morris have trouble defensively, though Marcus is a better player than the stiff the Suns drafted.  Does K. Marshall have a brother we can start scouting?. If he does, I know for a fact he cannot be worse than Kendall.

  • 18 SkyBill40 // Feb 21, 2013 at 4:07 pm

    @bkkkkkkkk I don’t trust Babby one bit. None of the moves that team has made have really been beneficial to us short of acquiring Gortat. Trading away a top five pick would be pretty damn foolish unless you’re getting a sure fire return on that pick. I have a feeling we’re going to get hosed no matter what is done.

  • 19 SkyBill40 // Feb 21, 2013 at 4:12 pm

    @BoomShakaLuka Bag of shit, bag of dicks… same, same.

  • 20 TySun // Feb 21, 2013 at 4:19 pm

    On the bright side, at least the Suns didn’t make any incredibly stupid trades.  I think that they could have actually gotten Josh Smith if they were willing to give too much for him but thankfully they didn’t go for it.  That would have been a disaster for the future of the team.
    I still don’t see the sense in having both Morris brothers on one team unless they somehow think that they can increase the chemistry and productivity of the second unit by playing them together at the 3 & 4… or maybe at the 4 & 5 if the Suns decide to play small ball.  The Suns really need another 2, not another 3/4 tweener.  OKC picked up Ronnie Brewer from the Knicks for a 2nd round pick.  At least he’s a good defender and I would have rather seen him added to the Suns before Morris because he could have been more useful.

  • 21 SkyBill40 // Feb 21, 2013 at 4:29 pm

    @TySun Agreed. Another tweener three wasn’t what we needed even if it placates Markieff. I’m also glad they didn’t pull anything really stupid, however I wouldn’t have been upset in the least had they suckered someone into taking Beasley. Oh well.

  • 22 bkkkkkkkk // Feb 21, 2013 at 4:32 pm

    @TySun The Josh Smith thing was a total BS. There is obviously surplus on the forward dept. There is no reason to invest heavy dollars on Josh Smith, even signing him as an around $10M Free Agency.

  • 23 john manhole // Feb 21, 2013 at 4:44 pm

     I can understand where you’re coming from when you explain it a little further than you had before, but I think your initial judgment was a bit harsh/off. 
    “I would have much rather seen them send Kendall Marshall.”  If the Suns had sent Marshall, it would have been likely that THEY would be the ones sending a future pick away.  In that scenario, next season you would have no Telfair, no Marshall, and one less second-round pick.  I don’t think that’s better off than where they currently sit as a result of this trade.
    And on Telfair… he hasn’t been playing well.  His PER and WS/48 are well below league averages.  His net rating is negative 10.  His assist % is 22.  His eFG% is 47.  He’s not the worst backup in the league, but that’s extremely far from what I would call “playing well.”  Is he better than Marshall at this point?  Clearly.  We agree there.  Where we disagree is on the point that turning a bad player on an expiring deal (Telfair) into a low second-round pick is a good trade. 
    And by the way, your numbers (“for every one gem you find, you get 25 washouts) are more than slightly exaggerated.  The chances of getting a quality role player in the 30-40 range are actually fairly decent (between 20%-40%).  I don’t really have faith in the evaluation skills of the front office and its analytics team, but that’s a different story.  Also, let’s not forget the Suns don’t even have to use that pick.  They could use it in a future deal to net worthwhile, proven NBA talent.  They have double digit picks over the next three years now.  No matter how bad this front office is, they’re bound to hit some time or another.

  • 24 bkkkkkkkk // Feb 21, 2013 at 4:57 pm

    @TySun OKC is upgrading Eric Maynor to Ronnie Brewer with the cost of his very late 2nd round pick. Brewer has a better RPG, SPG statistic and taller. Ronnie Brewer is kind of a Jared Dudley playing at 15 MPG instead of 30 MPG. Actually, you don’t really need 45 MPG Jared Dudley kind of support. Saving the 15 MPG for the coming 1st round SG is more fruitful.

  • 25 Thunder Dan Smith // Feb 21, 2013 at 5:54 pm

    Way to go Lance/Lon…pick up the twin of one of the examples of our underachieving ways. Just in case one of our 5 PFs goes down, we’ll have another big man who barely shoots 40% that can fill in I guess :s …..

  • 26 DBreezy // Feb 21, 2013 at 7:25 pm

    @4everis2long Outside of Pierce, how many of the many KU stars have panned out in the league big time? Gives one pause.

  • 27 suns68 // Feb 21, 2013 at 9:11 pm

    @john manhole  @SkyBill40 “No matter how bad this front office is, they’re bound to hit some time or another.”
    What evidence is there for that? We’ve been through like 40-50 players on their watch, each worse than the last.
    Their ONLY talent seems to be keeping us within a couple million of the salary minimum.

  • 28 suns68 // Feb 21, 2013 at 9:15 pm

    Kinda funny that the banner ad is trying to sell us a Golden State jersey after the way they manhandled our merry misfits last night.

  • 29 john manhole // Feb 21, 2013 at 10:51 pm

    @suns68 @SkyBill40
    40-50 players? You haters are delusional.

  • 30 4everis2long // Feb 21, 2013 at 11:30 pm

    @DBreezy  @4everis2long Danny Manning. When you think about it DBreezy, most of them have been a let down.

  • 31 hawki // Feb 22, 2013 at 12:22 am

    Who’s your HaDaddi ?

  • 32 BoomShakaLuka // Feb 22, 2013 at 2:14 am

    Jack Bauer was running around US Airways Center looking for Hadaddi.

  • 33 SkyBill40 // Feb 22, 2013 at 6:11 am

    @john manhole  I see your point given Telfair’s numbers as of late, but I think those could be attributed to a severe reduction in PT. I wasn’t aware he was doing that poorly or that his deal was of the expiring sort, so I thank you for pointing those out.
    With relation to my statement on second round picks, I wasn’t trying to make a hard truth statement. I realize that the numbers are a bit better than that, but you can never tell what you’re going to get in that round. First rounders occasionally slip for one reason or another and some kids are just not as good a player as they think themselves to be, thus they land down there. Is it worth taking a chance? Sometimes. As you pointed out, there are some good finds there, and we’ve had some good finds of our own. Our luck hasn’t been the best of late in either round, but I attribute that to poor talent evaluation by the FO over anything else.

  • 34 SkyBill40 // Feb 22, 2013 at 6:19 am

    @DBreezy  I can give you the very best one possible: Chamberlain. Outside of that ringer, there have been several that have been solid rotation players such as Gooden, Hinrich, Vaughn, and a few more. Still, I see your point. Beyond Pierce, few have been little more than a footnote.

  • 35 john manhole // Feb 22, 2013 at 7:54 am

    Good stuff. I agree with basically every word.

  • 36 DBreezy // Feb 22, 2013 at 9:26 am

    @4everis2long Yeah I should have said since Pierce as both you and SkyBill have noted excellent KU players prior to to PP.

  • 37 DBreezy // Feb 22, 2013 at 9:27 am

    @SkyBill40 The biggest reason I thought about it was because the Suns are and likely will be picking high in the draft the next few seasons.

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