4-on-4: Discussing the Phoenix Suns trade rumors

Two days remain before the NBA trade deadline hits, and the Phoenix Suns are one of the most actively talked about teams in the rumor mill. Most recently, the Suns were linked to Atlanta Hawks forward Josh Smith after that talk was shot down three weeks ago. The Valley of the Suns crew goes 4-on-4 about what they’d like to see, what they think of Smith in a Suns uniform and how they think the next few days will play out.

Who do you want the Suns to trade for?

Michael Schwartz: As usual, I don’t have a specific name, I just don’t want the Suns to panic and make a move because they feel they have to. If they can get a quality future piece in a deal involving Gortat and/or Dudley but no more than heavily-protected picks, I’d like to see them do that.

Ryan Weisert: Absolutely no one. Almost every star player in the trade market (Dwight Howard, Josh Smith, Al Jefferson) will be available this offseason in free agency. I want the Suns to continue bottoming out this year to ensure a high draft pick next summer.

Matt Petersen: The question isn’t who, but what. The Suns don’t have enough assets to trade for a young stud still on his rookie contract (and consequently keep spending money for another stud via free agency). Phoenix needs to acquire and hoard some draft picks.

Dave Dulberg: Al Jefferson in a Suns uniform has peaked my interest from his days in Minnesota. Basically he’s everything Marcin Gortat is not. High motor in the post, doesn’t shy from contact and is a walking double-double. He’s an unrestricted free agent this summer, so obviously an extension would have to be agreed upon before any deal.

Who don’t you want the Suns to trade for (based off the rumors)?

Schwartz: Al Jefferson. It would be far too expensive both in terms of talents/picks, and his next contract will cost too much for another player who isn’t going to materially change this franchise’s fortunes.

Weisert: Al Jefferson. While Big Al is a beast offensively, he’s not a great defender. He’s only 28, but he’s been in the league eight years already. I’m not sure he stays healthy and productive for the length of the max contract Phoenix would have to offer him this summer.

Petersen: Anyone who “is who he is.” Phoenix already has enough of those. Al Jefferson and Josh Smith aren’t going to get any better and will demand contracts big enough to keep the Suns locked into mediocrity.

Dulberg: Josh Smith. I could see the Suns making a move if its there, but it’s a reactionary one at best. If Michael Beasley is a long-term project, a deal for Smith makes no sense. Yes he’s athletic, yes he’s a consistent scorer and yes he’ll excite fans. But for a team that has plenty of 3s and 4s, the cost seems too high for something that doesn’t feel like a perfect fit.

What do you think the Suns will ultimately end up doing?

Schwartz: I think they will be involved in many conversations but won’t end up pulling the trigger on anything aside from perhaps a minor deal like Bassy for a second-round pick. Those big moves will have to wait for the summer.

Weisert: Make a small move. The Suns are having a terrible season, but they still have several assets who could be valuable to a contending team. I think the front office saves face by moving Telfair, Dudley or O’Neal for a 3-point shooter or a draft pick.

Petersen: Phoenix will likely find a way to dump Sebastian Telfair on someone, but other than that it’s hard to see another team tempted to the point of action by what the Suns have to offer. Beyond a minor tweak or two, I don’t see a lot happening.

Dulberg: Nothing worth noting. I think teams will look at the Suns’ so-called “best assets” and realize they can do better elsewhere. If a move gets made, look for it to be Sebastian Telfair or Shannon Brown moving on, not Marcin Gortat or Jared Dudley.

Would you like to see Josh Smith in a Suns uniform this season, and what would you be willing to give up for him?

Schwartz: Not particularly, but as always it depends on the price. I say no because presumably that price will be higher than what the Suns would be wise to offer for a player they will have to overpay while putting them much closer to the treadmill of mediocrity than the path to the title.

Weisert: I think Phoenix should save money by waiting until summer to pursue Josh Smith. If they did trade for him this week, however, it wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world. I would give up Gortat, Brown or Dudley, and a second round pick. No first round picks.

Petersen: Any package of players with multi-year contracts should be made available if Smith (a guy who’s going to want a lot of money) comes to Phoenix. That would ensure cap flexibility to continue building around him. The Suns absolutely should not give up draft picks when they’re trying to rebuild. That has to be a deal-breaker for them.

Dulberg: No. The Suns need to commit to rebuilding the right way, through the draft. I’m not saying they shouldn’t make trades in the process, but giving up any draft compensation for a guy who isn’t exactly a “proven winner” seems foolish at best to me.

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  • TySun

    As I’ve said before, the only trades I want to see the Suns make are for draft picks and/or younger players with future potential.  Smith would only be worth trading for if he wasn’t expecting a max contract.  He’ll get it somewhere but hopefully not in Phoenix.  Someone in need of a solid backup PG for the rest of the season might send the Suns a 2nd round pick for him and a playoff bound team looking for a good backup 5 might make the Suns an offer for O’Neal but I don’t expect much more to happen between now and the deadline.

    • TySun

      Lol… I meant Telfair when I was writing about the2nd round pick for a backup PG.

  • DickleJ

    I really don’t understand why so many people keep saying we need to rebuild through the draft.  The celtics that won it all did it by getting stars, the heat, the lakers, and the only teams in that company are OKC, who happened to land KD with the expansion pick  and might I mention Westbrook was a steal and San Antonio who grabbed a legend in Duncan but certainly had a supporting cast already in place.  So building through the draft, in theory, is great but finding synergistic pieces is just as important.  Keep even the old great suns teams in mind, Barkley wasn’t drafted but he certainly helped.  I would put Smith in his class, dominant power forward from the east in his prime, but let’s say the Suns do get a high pick and grab a franchise guy.  Kelly Olynyk comes to mind as a nice fit.  We still have a ways to go with Gortat who doesn’t seem to want to become that franchise guy and Dudley who is everyone’s favorite 6th man.  Dragic is the real deal, I don’t see anyone arguing with that and Beasley is 24 and has a world of talent but beyond that the team is full of role players, the have been’s and never were’s.  Bring in Josh Smith and draft a solid prospect.  Clear room for Eric Gordon or JJ Redick in the offseason and we have a solid starting 5.  Playoff worthy after a year of rebuilding if Beasley wakes up…Which I really think he will sooner than later.  So that’s Dragic, Gordon/Redick, Beasley, Smith, and Olynyk.  Come on.  That’s a lot of ability to score for a team that has always been focused on a drive and kick style offense and solid inside presence with a big time shot blocker in Smith.  I’ve never been a huge Smith fan but his stats don’t lie.  The guy can dominate a game and when you look at the great Suns teams, what do you see?  Amare, Barkley, Chambers, Hawkins…  We haven’t been around long but that seems to be the formula.  I’ll take Smith alongside Dragic, Beasley, and a franchise pick and let them take us to the finals in the next 3-5 years.

  • SkyBill40

    I’d prefer the Suns to stand pat at this point. It’s been a tough season for them and we need to see what, if anything, is worth keeping and what’s not. If anything happens, I’d prefer it happen in the off season. I know that it takes talent to get talent in return, but the only two worthwhile players we’ve got aren’t going to fetch the prize we need in order to end the mediocrity. Gortat is a stud and that much is clear. He’s pissed about the team not re-signing Nash, but it looks like he’s come to accept it and get to the business of doing what he does best: score, board, and swat. Dudley is the core of the team and quietly become a respected and clutch shooter. Though he’s not athletic like Gay, he’s a solid contributor. He’s a consumate pro, so I don’t see the trade talk rattling him. That said, now PJ Tucker, another gritty, blue collar player brought in for defensive toughness, is being rumored to be in trade chatter. Why? Why jettison the few good players we have for another team’s castoffs?
    I’m not really high on rebuilding through the draft either and given the lack of success the team has had over the past few, I’m not at all confident that the team will be turned around through it. We need a teardown of the organization from top to bottom, but it’s not going to happen as it should. Morris isn’t coming along as he should, Marshall was a waste of a lottery pick when better players were available, Johnson is languishing on the pine, and Zeller is… well, not getting off that pine. The last player is troubling given that the Suns had a far better player available in Ike Diogu but chose to give Zeller a spot instead.
    As for Telfair, I like him. He’s earned the backup spot and isn’t getting any run since they are giving it all to Marshall instead. If I were Telfair, I’d feel pretty betrayed by the organization and the coach. I realize Marshall was a high pick and they need to evaluate him, but come on.
    Lastly, the draft picks we’re going to get aren’t a guarantee of anything. This draft isn’t all that filled with impact players, and the pick we have from LA isn’t going to pan out as many are hoping. There’s no way the Lakers miss the playoffs. So, where does that leave us? Lots of picks… but still relegated to the bottom of the conference with little hope in sight.

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