Suns recall Diante Garrett from Bakersfield Jam


With eight games to go until the All-Star break, the Phoenix Suns have added some depth at the point guard position. Well, sort of.

The team recalled point guard Diante Garrett from Bakersfield Monday, following his successful seven-game assignment with the Jam (D-League affiliate). Garrett, who signed with the Suns as an undrafted free agent back in October, averaged 15.1 points, 7.4 assists and 1.7 steals during his time in Bakersfield. The former Iowa State standout had no problem scoring either,  as he recorded four games of 15 or more points and one game of 20 points.  His addition seemed to also do wonders for the Jam, who went 6-1 during his brief stint.

Garrett made five starts in Bakersfield, but he’ll be hard-pressed to find much playing time in interim head coach Lindsey Hunter’s rotation moving forward this season. His return to the team comes just a day after rookie Kendall Marshall (six points and one rebound) played a season-high 15 minutes in relief of starting point guard Goran Dragic. Also, while Sebastian Telfair didn’t touch the floor in Sunday’s 110-95 defeat in Dallas, the veteran point guard had averaged over 15 minutes per game since Hunter took over for Alvin Gentry.

Before his assignment with the Jam, Garrett made six appearances with the Suns and averaged 0.8 points and 1.2 assists per game.

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  • Scott

    Aha! I was wondering if this was the case when Garrett tweeted he was flying back to Phoenix.

    Now the question is: is Garrett back simply to try to work him in at PG/SG, as part of player development, or is there a trade afoot?

    My preference would be to play him at SG, as I don’t think the Suns should consider keeping him if he can’t aggressively score and defend at that spot.

  • IowaPhXfan

    I had the pleasure of watching Garrett play for Iowa State for 4 years. In his first 3 yrs he was held back by a horrible slow down half court system that utilized zero of Garrett’s skills.
    In his senior year Iowa State changed coaches to former NBA player Fred Hoiberg, who put in an uptempo NBA style of play, Garrett excelled in this system avg’n 17pts/6assts/4rebs. He would’ve been a much more known name if he played in a fast paced offense all 4 yrs.
    I truly believe Garrett could be an above average pg in the NBA. The reason I say this is because he has a unique skill set…not joking when I say the closest current NBA player comparison I can think of is Jrue Holiday. Tall for a pg, average shooting, good handle, finds way to get to basket, 80% ft, about 2:1 assists to turnovers…. the thing with Garrett is that he is so quick and his arms are so long (6’9 wingspan) that he can get to the basket and make a play any time he wants…
    The thing holding Garrett back these last 2 years has been 1) if he can consistently hit the outside shot and 2) making good decisions with the ball… tends to have a couple moments every game that he gets careless with ball.
    Phx fans would love Garrett. He is one of those rare guys that never seems to get tired and gives it 110% every night. Plus, he’s a great guy, very friendly and excellent personality for the locker room.
    Hope Phx gives him a chance. I’d take Garrett over Marshall any day of the week. I really don’t know any skill that Marshall is better at…passing? But Garrett is an excellent passer and his longer arms allow him to create better angles as well as finish around the hoop without getting blocked.

    Give him a shot Phx! Play him with Dragic and you will have 2 very diverse, quick, crafty, and explosive guards. Make the most of every opportunity, Diante! You have the talent to start in this league and be successful. Keep workin!

    -IowaPhXfan

  • Scott

    @IowaPhXfan -

    I like Garrett’s play, but so far he’s actually scored less than Marshall. He’s scored 5 points in 30 minutes so far this season, and that’s too low.

    Despite his aversion to scoring, Marshall has scored 13 points in 67 minutes of play.

    Neither player is really lighting it up.

    I’d like to see Garrett play at SG, since that’s how the Suns intended to use him when they got him.

  • IowaPhXfan

    @Scott

    Judging two players based on a total of 30 mins and 67 mins of game action primarily played in mop up time….

    A better way to compare would be looking at their D-League stats where they actually play entire games…

    Marshall: 9 gms, 31 mins/gm, 31% fg, 22% 3p, 69% ft, 9.5ppg, 7.5apg, 3rpg, 3 turnovers/gm

    Garrett: 7gms, 31 mins/gm, 46% fg, 62% 3p, 77% ft, 15ppg, 7.5apg, 2.5rpg, 2 turnovers/gm

    Sorry but play these two equal amounts of time for Phx and Garrett is going to make Marshall look like he shouldn’t ever be in the league. I hated the Marshall pick, and still do. Unathletic point guard who can’t shoot….what the heck did our front office think he was going to turn into?? D’oh.

    -IowaPhXfan

  • Scott

    @Iowa -

    I’m not really comparing the two, I’m just saying both need to score in the NBA if they want to stay. :)

  • Polish_fan

    You all love numbers thats why you are wrong…. there are planty of others like spacing which are uncountable….
    btw guy talking about Garrett said he is ok but he sux … :-) those things like careless wth the ball are makinfg the difference between nba and others.

  • DBreezy

    I wonder how Hunter will handle things going forward with the youngins. The way he handled the last game seemed to indicate that the things would be changing going forward. That wasn’t unexpected, but I was surprised he would do that ahead of a big home date with the Lake Show.

    It’s the return of Nash, the first visit of the hated Lakers, an ESPN game, and retro jersey night. Something tells me that the brass isn’t looking to see healthy doses of Kendall, Wes, Luke, or Diante on Wednesday. They want a W. So if Hunter goes back to regular rotations for that game, then returns to the experimentation after that I wonder how that would be received by the vets in the locker room?

  • IowaPhXfan

    @Polish_fan

    Have you ever seen Garrett play?

    Yes I like numbers…like having more points than the other team at end of game :-P

  • Cam

    @DBreezy
    I’m not sure who posted it, but someone a couple of days ago thought that home games would be mainly vet playing time, going for the win and trying to appease the fan base. Away games would be youth development time, giving the vets limited minutes. I don’t think it will be severe, but I could see a rise in vet minutes at home for the sake of W’s. Go Suns.

  • Scott

    All right … now I’m testing the moderation protocols on VotS. I’ve had the following post flagged for moderation twice on its own, and once as part of a longer post, all in the previous thread. If a mod ever wakes up and passes my posts through, I apologize for the repetition. It’s been 12 hours though since the original version was posted … :p

    (part 3)

    2nd round: SF Andre Roberson, PF Trevor Mbakwe.

    Andre Roberson is listed as PF, but at 6? 7? he’ll slide to SF in the NBA. He has a wingspan of 6? 9? – which is reasonable, not great – and good lateral quickness, which seems rare in this draft. He’s a lockdown defense type guy with a high motor and he has the quickness to defend guards. He will have to develop better handling and better offense, but he already has a nose for rebounds.

    Mbakwe is an older player who had been sidelined in college with injuries that caused him to miss two years. This, and an assault charge (plus violating a restraining order), are probably what would be keeping him from going higher. He’s a smaller PF, 6? 8? in shoes, 237 lbs, but with a wingspan of 7? 4?. Like Roberson, he has a nose for rebounds, quickness on the perimeter, and a high motor.

    The players I selected are primarily for defense and rebounding, with the exception of Goodwin, who is there primarily for scoring. I tried to take what appeared to be the best talent available at each spot, though of course this may change as scouting improves as we get closer to the draft.

  • DBreezy

    @Cam,

    That’s completely plausible, but I wonder how that will play with the vets, especially after the trade deadline passes. While some of the vets didn’t look all that happy to me on Sunday, you have to figure they’ll at least try to be on the best behavior with the possibility of a trade to a better situation out there.

    After that it wouldn’t surprise me to hear some grumbling, or for injuries to magically crop up for some of these guys a la Peaches a few years back. Of course another lengthy losing streak ahead of the break could make it all moot, officially raising the surrender flag. I’m not saying they won’t win before then, but looking at the schedule they probably won’t be favored to do so before Minny on Feb 26th or Toronto on Mar 6th. 7 of the next 9 are on the road with 3 back to backs in there.

  • Rich Anthony, (KJL)

    don’t look at the Laker home game as one that the front office wants to win. I’m sure they’ll say that. You don’t just come out and say, “hey, we really don’t care if we win that or any other game this year because we are already looking towards the draft and next season.”

    truth is, the money will be made thanks to the lakers. even if Los Angeles wins by 80 points it’s fine.

    Nash is the drawing point. Kobe, Dwight, etc.

    The suns may very well win the game but not because of some crazy front office mandate. The Lakers aren’t very good right now. They could go out there and lay an egg.

    As far as the Suns executing a recall, it could be anything.

    could be as simple as the team wanting him back for practices. could be that one of the guards on the team are getting ready to be shipped out in some sort of package deal. It could be that coach Hunter thinks Marshall is terrible. Doesn’t really matter.

  • azbballfan

    play Garrett some good quality minutes

    The Suns have nothing to lose, he did way better than Marshall with the Jam, and can play both spots.

    Besides its not like team is going anywhere

    Put him out there with the dragon

    Hell put him and marshall together

    we are one losing streak away from a total disaster of a season anyway, might as well throw the young guns out there and let em play

    Heres a thought, maybe if the Suns developed their own guys, there wouldnt be so much pressure to draft the next big thing in a weak draft.

    Lets say we get Ben Mclemore start him

    Garrett can come off the bench and spell Dragic or Mclemore and score and defend.

    Marshall has not proven anything so might as well throw Garrett out there

  • Rich Anthony, (KJL)

    “Heres a thought, maybe if the Suns developed their own guys, there wouldnt be so much pressure to draft the next big thing in a weak draft.”

    Would be nice, right? Here’s the thing with this mentality.

    The Suns were contending or trying to contend over the last 6 or 7 seasons straight. The last 2 seasons before this one, they were milking the Nash Driven System to death. What does that mean?

    Late first round draft picks. Second round developmental picks.

    It’s hard to develop diamonds when the materials selected mostly come from playground-grade sand for an organization where veterans and specific players are the flavor of the franchise.

    A lot of young players didn’t get a shot here, because that wasn’t the philosophy of the team.

    Now, the philosophy will be to draft and grow. We’ll see what happens next.

  • IowaPhXfan

    I agree the odds of developing a late first round pick or second round pick isn’t the greatest….

    Yes, if Garrett or Zeller turned into a good rotation player that would be a surprise for many…

    But we have 4 top 13 picks in Morris, Marshall, Wes, & Beasley. If we’re 0 for 4 on thinking all of these guys could be developed into good players….that’s pretty bad.

    Here’s a fun stat. 13 players in the SECOND round of the 2012 draft have played more minutes than Marshall. I’d honestly take any other player drafted in the 1st round…how does our FO miss soooo badly on talent and potential?? face palm. Who would take Tyler Zeller and Kawhi Leonard right now instead of Marshall and Morris? I know hindsight is 20/20, but these were guys that had to be on our radar at each of those picks…. we thought the worse twin would turn into a better player than the athletic freak Leonard?!? Markeiff doesn’t do any one thing above average! His brother is Marcus is much better and proved it all through college! Such a freaking joke… OKC, SA, GS, & now even HOU among many others are running circles around us (literally) when it comes to finding talent in the draft…. here’s to hoping we can’t mess up two lottery picks this year and another top 5 pick next year. Although, I wouldn’t put it past this FO.

  • Scott

    If your team can recognize talent, you should be able to add talent to your team. There are quality late first rounders and second rounders.

    If your team can’t recognize talent, no matter how high your lottery picks are, you’ll always be screwed.

    Yes, you do need a high lottery pick to get the players with talent everyone can see, like LeBron, Duncan, or Michael Jordan. If they happen to be available in the year you get a high pick.

    However, Tony Parker was selected 28th in the 2001 draft. How many people selected above him were equal or better? Arenas and Okur were 2nd rounders that year.

    The next year, Boozer, Matt Barnes, and Scola (#56) all went in the 2nd round.

    The last 3 first rounders of 2003 were Kendrick Perkins, Leandro Barbosa, and Josh Howard … while Marcus Banks was a lottery pick. The 2nd round had Kapono, Steve Blake, Pachulia, Bonner, Mo Williams, and Korver.

    At the bottom of the first round in 2004 were Tony Allen, Kevin Martin, and Beno Udrih. The 2nd round held Varejao and Ariza.

    In 2005, David Lee was the last pick of the first round, and the 2nd round contained Brandon Bass, CJ Miles, Ilyasova, Turiaf, Monta Ellis, Blatche, Amir Johnson, and Gortat.

    I could go on … but I won’t. :)

  • IowaPhXfan

    I’m not going to go crazy on missing out on 2nd round draft picks…2005 appears to be an outlier of 2nd rounders than turned into decent players… looking back to 2000 it shows on average only about 3 players per year drafted in 2nd rd that become at least average NBA players. That’s historically a 10% chance.

    Year  Rd Pick Player
    2000 1 25 Jake Tsakalidis
    2001 2 50 Alton Ford
    2002 1 22 Casey Jacobsen
    2002 1 9 Amare Stoudemire
    2003 1 17 Zarko Cabarkapa
    2004 1 7 Luol Deng
    2005 1 21 Nate Robinson
    2005 2 57 Marcin Gortat
    2006 1 27 Sergio Rodriguez
    2006 1 21 Rajon Rondo
    2007 2 59 D.J. Strawberry
    2007 1 29 Alando Tucker
    2007 1 24 Rudy Fernandez
    2008 2 48 Malik Hairston
    2008 1 15 Robin Lopez
    2009 2 57 Emir Preldzic
    2009 2 48 Taylor Griffin
    2009 1 14 Earl Clark
    2010 2 60 Dwayne Collins
    2010 2 46 Gani Lawal
    2011 1 13 Markieff Morris
    2012 1 13 Kendall Marshall

    Those are all our picks since 2000. The best thing is our 2 best picks Rondo & Deng we traded away. It’s just been horrible scouting. Note that all of our 2nd rd picks have been the bottom half of the 2nd rd, so not great odds of finding much that low.

    I would like to see another team with so little contribution from their own draft picks since 2000. Out of 22 picks, we had 1 guy turn into an all-star in Amare. We traded away the other 2, deng & rondo. And nobody else was even close! The last 2 years could’ve been the start of getting 2 solid role players with the 13th pick, but both were epic failures.

    Here’s to hoping we can’t mess it up too bad with top 5 picks the next couple years. Please don’t draft a big man who plays under the basket (Cody Zeller). Only time that ever works is if he’s built like a mule and rebounds like crazy or can shoot outside (ie zach randolph, kevin love…) Also, do not draft a wing player that doesn’t do any one particular thing very well (shoot, jump, get to hoop, play defense, etc)

    I would like to see Phx draft any of shabaz/mclemore/noel with 1st pick, with lakers pick take trey burke if still available or cj mccollum, with memphis pick take jeff whitey.

    It’s about bringing together the right pieces. Ball handler, shooters, rebounder, defense, low post scorer. Right now we have a ball handler (dragic)…and i’m not sure we have any of the others. OKC has all the pieces, MIA has all the pieces, SA has all the pieces, MEM has all but one of the pieces (shooters)….it’s not quantum physics. It’s very simple. You find players that do specific things very well and when put together it forms a great team. Phx tends to get guys that kind of do some things well but not any one skill.

    I really like what New Orleans is doing. Granted they got the #1 pick which always helps, but they have pieces that fit together nicely. And they have cap space to sign a max guy next year still. Watch for them in next couple years. Davis, Anderson, & Gordon is a sweet core to have locked up for next 3 yrs and only takes up about half their cap space.

  • Russell Suns fan

    Since 2007 we have drafted terribly, that means the scouting department is not doing their job evaluating players correctly.

    This years draft is not strong at all, I rather trade some of these picks in a package with some of our current players in order to land real NBA talent.

  • Ty-Sun

    Well, the past is the past. It seems to me that for years, especially since the D’Antoni era, the Suns were drafting not only for need but also trying to draft the best potential fit for the offensive system they used. And even under Gentry, they continued that philosophy (and in their trades as well as the drafts).

    As we’ve seen in LA, D’Antoni seems incapable of adjusting his system/style to suit the players on that team. I think Gentry’s downfall was pretty much for the same reason. Yes, the players he’s had to work with for the past few years since Stat left haven’t been great but the style of play never changed. Part of that was because it was still a Nash driven offense but this year -without Nash – it was pretty much the same system/style again and it just didn’t work with Dragic running it. Instead of constantly changing line ups and rotations, Gentry might have had better results by altering his system/style to better suit the players he had.

    And I’m not knocking Dragic but he’ll never be Steve Nash so asking him to play in a system that was designed for Steve Nash was – to be kind – not very smart.

    Give this some thought. IF we had exactly the same team this year with the SINGLE exception of Nash playing the point instead of Dragic, I think this team would be hovering around the .500 mark instead of the cellar. And once again, I’m not knocking Dragic, I’m just saying that asking him to run a style of offense made for Nash was a mistake.

    Anyway, what I hope to get for the next head coach of the Suns is someone who can adapt his style/system to suit the players he has rather than trying to force the players into fitting his system.

  • DBreezy

    While I have guys I like watching in the NCAA and guys who don’t do much for me, it’s way too early to say things like ‘don’t draft guy X or Y’. To me that has been a big one of many impediments this front office has had to drafting optimally in recent years. The Suns front office has tended to really target certain players early on in the draft process, and generally tunes out most others. They may hold a subterfuge workout or two in a weak attempt to throw others off their scent, but they basically know who they want and just cross their fingers that that guy is available at their pick.

    Problem is, sometimes you can a learn a lot in those workouts about players you previously didn’t think much of for whatever reason. Maybe they have skills you didn’t get to see in college or during the increasingly popular massive, multiple team workouts. Maybe something in their medical history from the league, doesn’t jibe with what your docs are seeing (PJ3, Sullinger) and so on. Also, you have to be ready for change on draft night, especially as a rebuilding time. You have to be ready to effect change on your own by initiating trades and you have to be ready for change to occur around you as others make trades and/or take players off the board you thought would be there.

    Maybe a team like Washington or Cleveland drafting ahead of the Suns doesn’t appear to be in the market for a 2 guard making the Suns think that one of Shabazz or McLemore should be available to them. What happens when they make a trade and both guys are off the board along with their number 1 big man prospect. The Suns are never ready for situations like this. They instead do things like trade out because they think the guy they wanted isn’t there or they don’t know enough about the guys who are actually available. I don’t really like Cody Zeller for example, but there is probably a set of unforeseen circumstances where he would be an excellent pick. Maybe the Suns get who they want in the top 5, and another team gives them a solid trade because their guy is off the board that nets the Suns Zeller as a bonus. Maybe he slides and is there with the Lakers pick, because at some point he is a great pickup.

    You gotta be ready for anything and the more players you’ve seen the more prepared you are as a team. The Suns aren’t the laughing stock the Magic have been in this regard, but they do not do the thorough job teams like the Spurs and Celts do looking closely at wide swaths of players either.

  • Cam

    If anyone needs to really vomit in your mouth a little google “Phoenix Suns draft day trades” and the first article to come up should be bleacher reports. Awesome read. Lets just pile it on the Suns FO.

    As long as the Suns have a top 5 pick and they draft one of the 5 known commodities right now, Shabazz, McLemore, Noel, Zeller, or Bennett, I don’t think anyone should have room to complain. The thing I worry about is reaching in the draft. Going after someone in the top 5 that rises fast right before the draft ie Dion Waiters is what I could see the Suns doing. I like Waiters, but not at the 4 pick. In the 8-14 range would’ve been ok. Go Suns.

  • Ty-Sun

    One thing I think a lot of people are overlooking is that NO NBA team makes great draft choices every year. Yes there have been some great players to come out the late 1st round or even the 2nd round but they have been the exception rather than the rule. And quite a few of those pick were foreign players who often didn’t immediately come to the NBA.

    Expecting them to hit a home run with the majority of their draft picks is just unrealistic. NO team does that, especially with mid to late 1st round and 2nd round picks.

    And as for why they drafted Marshall last year, there are several reasons.

    1st. The talk before the draft was all about which of the top SG prospects that might be available when the Suns turn to pick came around. But they were ALL gone before then.

    2nd. The draft occurred BEFORE free agency started. After deciding to let Nash go, I’m certain the FO was focusing on bringing Dragic back but they couldn’t even talk to him until after the draft so they had no idea whether they would be able to bring him back or not.

    3rd. With Nash leaving and no sure deal with Dragic, Marshall was the best option in the draft. A high quality passer that, even with the minus’s in his game, had the best potential to develop into a PG that could eventually run an offense built for Steve Nash.

    If the Suns had not selected Marshall, they had – at that point in time – no way of knowing if they would be able to sign a FA point guard that was better than Telfair. And even though I love Telfair’s effort, the thought of possibly having to start him as the Suns PG would probably have pushed me into drafting Marshall too.

  • IowaPhXfan

    Yeah the Marshall pick seemed to be a ‘no other option’ pick, they fell into the ‘we need a pg’ mentality and got tunnel vision. Teams get in trouble when they draft for need….only teams poised to win a championship should be doing that such as Mia, OKC, SA. We probably had Henson and Zeller rated higher as overall players but we already had plenty of big men so we went with pg knowing Nash was leaving. It’s just not a very business-like way to think. Which is how you should think when rebuilding a team. Acquire as many assets as possible and hopefully they turn into top draft picks and current good players.

    I agree anybody in top 5 for this draft appears to be a safe pick. I just have a really bad feeling about Zeller. Tall white dudes who play below the rim don’t usually excel in the league. Kevin Love is about the only exception in the last 20 years.

  • Harry

    Ty-Sun, I like your positivity regarding this organization. People are so quick to criticize Sarver but his record speaks to a different story. Sure, things aren’t perfect now but there are a lot of team in a similar boat.

    One correction though on a point above, though. Gentry’s did actually change the offense this year. It’s not the same they ran with Nash last year. It really was a big mistake. Dragic ran a very similar offense in Houston last year to what the 2011-12 Suns ran. There was no reason to change the offense this year. Had he not done so it’s very possible he wouldn’t have been fired.

  • http://none Sillmarillion

    And Gortat, Griffin, Vukceviv, Petkovic or Varejao…

  • Ty-Sun

    Yeah, Gentry may have made some changes but just not enough. With so many new players it probably would have been best to slow down the tempo and focus on execution and defense. It wouldn’t have been exciting but it could have more effective.

    I’m not a fan of Sarver as an owner but just being willing to throw cash at players doesn’t always work either. The Knicks are finally back in contention but when they sucked it was never because their owner wasn’t willing to pay big salaries. Sarver’s biggest fault is that he hasn’t hired the best FO people.

    But as you said, Harry, there are a lot of other teams in the same boat. The Spurs are the one team that I can think of that have been at least very good for a very long time. I hate them but I have to give them their due for being so consistently good for so many years.

  • DBreezy

    @Ty-Sun,

    Sure no team hits on all of their picks, but the Suns have to get a lot better at getting impact players with theirs. We could talk about luck and hindsight being 20/20 and there would be tons of truth to it, but for this franchise to move forward it’s just as true that they’re going to have to draft better.

    Good synopsis on why they picked Kendall, but you have to kind of chuckle at it a bit now. What’s the worst that could have happened if they hadn’t picked a pg in that draft? They don’t get Goran, were forced to go with Bassy, Marshall, and Diante at the point and plummet to the worst team in the West? If they had learned anything from that I would be happy, but listening to Sarver it sounds like it’s all part of the plan and that it’s going well.

    @Harry,

    The offense had to change because the personnel changed. The Suns are 25th in the league in points from 3 pointers down from 13th last season and 3rd the season before that. They’re 29th in 3pt shooting percentage another big dropoff. , and the numbers for 3pt rate over the last 3 seasons track the same way. So how do you run an offense predicated heavily on the spacing provided by 3 point shooters, not only without Nash but without good 3 point shooters? It seems that the bigger mistake wasn’t changing the offense, but clinging to the notion that they were the same kind of team offensively as before when the personnel had changed so much. This team has failed to score 100 points in 32 out it’s 45 games this season.

  • Ty-Sun

    @ Sillmarillion

    If you mean Blake Griffin in your post, he’s neither “white” nor someone who “plays below the rim”. Blake is bi-racial. His father is African-American and his mother is white. And everyone else you mentioned are foreign born players who also don’t all play below the rim.

    IowaPhXfan’s post was pretty much correct in respect to American born “tall white dudes”. A lot of the foreign born “tall white dudes” in the NBA are one of if not the best B-ball players to come out of their respective countries.

    Sorry if I sound a little racist but it’s just true. Kevin Love has been the most dominant “tall white dude” to play in the NBA since… hell, I can’t even remember the last dominant “tall white dude” to play in the NBA before Love that was born in the USA.

  • john

    @Ty-Sun

    False. Pat Burke. Enough said.

  • Roger

    We need LAL to miss playoff so we get to keep their 1st round pick otherwise we’ll get Cleveland’s pick that came from Miami.

    Think about losing to LAL !!

  • http://none Sillmarillion

    Really? Blake’s mother is black? Well, as for that he still looks pretty white to me. I’d imagine if you mix black and white something like Beyonce appears ;)
    Why do you say that they don’t play below the rim? What do you mean by that? They are centers afaik.

  • Ty-Sun

    @ DBreezy

    No argument that the Suns MUST get better with their draft picks. One thing that I think they must do is draft by talent rather than need this year. I don’t think the FO had a clear plan during the draft last year. They seemed to be trying to reload rather than rebuild and that failed. Hopefully this year they will draft with a rebuilding mentality.

    And when the draft went down, the Suns weren’t aware that Frye wasn’t going to be able to play this year either. If they had known that then, perhaps they would have taken Henson or Sullinger instead of Marshall with their pick.

  • Ty-Sun

    @ john

    Pat Burke was born in Dublin Ireland, not the USA.

    Enough said.

  • Michael

    But Pat was a beast!

  • Harry

    Dbreezy,

    There wasn’t any reason to change the offense. Dragic had run a very similar offense in Houston at basically the same offensive efficiency and had done so for two and a half years in Phoenix. Your stats merely reflect the poor offensive scheme designed by Gentry, not the personnel. The stats would be better if they had run the old system.

    It should be clear that this team is best when Dragic is in attack mode but Gentry effectively took the ball out of his hands. The offense already looks better now that Dragic is the focus. Give the new coaches some time and it can only improve. But hey, I’m glad Gentry changed. Best thing to happen that the organization moved on to new blood.

  • Forever is2long

    Iowa, those are some money comments. I agree with ya 100% that Garrett has a lot more upside as a point guard than Marshall. I think Garret is a much better defender who can penetrate on offense and a decent shooter. I said this in the summer league. I also agree that when your front office has drafted Marshall and Morris in the lottery and neither one looks like NBA starting material, like i think you, DBreezy and TySun said when you draft in the lottery it should be based on who has the most upside not what a team needs unless you are a championship contender. Marshall and Morris did not have that type of upside where the Suns had to take a chance on them as there were better players available.

    Also like you and DBreezy, count me in the group who is not in the Zeller camp. I doubt he is the answer for the Suns with a top 5 pick. I also agree that New Orlean has implemented a nice rebuild. I loved what they did in letting their center Kaman walk and sign the younger Lopez, signing Anderson from Orlando and bringing back Gordon to go with # 1 pick Davis. They trusted the point guard duties to Vasquez and traded their veteran point guard to Golden State who also has done a nice job in getting an abundance of good young talent.

    The biggest difference between the Suns rebuild or transition, whatever someone wants to call it, is the other teams have found quality in the draft. The Suns have not outside of Dragic. We are currently in the Deferred Rebuild Program.

  • IowaPhXfan

    @Ty-Sun

    Glad we agree on many points. Also good mention of Frye, I’m sure our FO was only looking at guards. Great strategy…

    @Sillmarillion

    “And Gortat, Griffin, Vukceviv, Petkovic or Varejao…”

    Uhh elminate Griffin and Varejao they are both mixed…not caucasian. If you narrow it down to US tall white dudes the list shrinks to Kevin Love and….Kevin Love.

    My point is I don’t want Cody Zeller because I think he will be a huge bust in the NBA. I watched him play against Mich St and they have 2 athletic big guys (Payne and Dawson), and Zeller couldn’t do anything. Zeller does not have an 18 foot jumper, and he can’t jump. Now imagine him going against Ibaka, Aldridge, Duncan, Gasol (either one), Howard, Bosh, Noah, Cousins, Anthony Davis, Chandler, Hibbert, Deandre Jordan….hell even Gortat!

    I just named literally half the league’s centers that any US ‘tall white dude’ who plays below the rim would struggle to get a shot off. It’s been proven over and over these guys can excel in college but if you aren’t an athletic freak you are going to have a very hard time being successful in the NBA. 25 years ago a tall white dude could hold his own….not anymore.

    Hansbrough, Cole Aldrich, Harangody, Troy Murphy, Nick Collison, Mark Madsen, Joe Alexander, Jon Leuer, Byron Mullens, Miles Plumlee, Tyler Zeller…

    I guess if you’re looking for a ‘safe’ pick of a potential 7th or 8th man then go for Zeller. I see him slipping down to around 10th. If teams are smart. If we have the 5th pick and Zeller is still sitting there, I pray we take someone else. I’d take Trey Burke 10 times out of 10 over Zeller.

    Why do NBA scouts and projection sites keep getting blinded by these guys that dominate in college but their game doesn’t translate at all to the NBA?? The bottom line is if you are relatively slow compared to most NBA players, then you better either be 1) deadly shooter or 2) huge or 3) mr hustle.

  • JD

    It’s ironic that the Suns FO failed to draft Sullinger when he was available in the draft. But then they claim the similar but much older Scola from amnesty waivers. Admittedly I’m a big Scola fan but he has little relevance to a rebuilding project.

    I have zero confidence in the current FO picking the right player(s) in the draft.

  • john

    Haha, touché. Ah, the good old days when the Suns weren’t a team full of Pat Burkes.

  • IowaPhXfan

    oops i forgot maybe the most dominate big US white dude of all time…..Tom Gugliotta 8-P

    F.

  • Scott

    I was looking at this list …

    Year Rd Pick Player
    2000 1 25 Jake Tsakalidis
    2001 2 50 Alton Ford
    2002 1 22 Casey Jacobsen
    2002 1 9 Amare Stoudemire
    2003 1 17 Zarko Cabarkapa
    2004 1 7 Luol Deng
    2005 1 21 Nate Robinson
    2005 2 57 Marcin Gortat
    2006 1 27 Sergio Rodriguez
    2006 1 21 Rajon Rondo
    2007 2 59 D.J. Strawberry
    2007 1 29 Alando Tucker
    2007 1 24 Rudy Fernandez
    2008 2 48 Malik Hairston
    2008 1 15 Robin Lopez
    2009 2 57 Emir Preldzic
    2009 2 48 Taylor Griffin
    2009 1 14 Earl Clark
    2010 2 60 Dwayne Collins
    2010 2 46 Gani Lawal
    2011 1 13 Markieff Morris
    2012 1 13 Kendall Marshall

    … and I have to say, the only pick that stands out to me is Amare Stoudemire. That’s the only really good pick the Suns have made in the last decade, apparently.

    The Suns could have drafted Iguodala in 2004, but they made a pre-draft agreement to take Luol Deng for Chicago.

    Like Deng, the other decent picks (Rondo, Gortat) were not actually made by the Suns. These players were selected by the teams the picks were being sold to, not by the Suns.

    Two of the better picks the Suns made in recent years – Barbosa and Dragic – were purchased from the Spurs. The Suns knew they wanted these guys, but they wanted them secondarily to their own picks, so they called around to find a team with a pick to sell, and in both cases it turned out to be San Antonio. They asked SA in 2003 to draft Barbosa with the 28th pick, and in 2008 they asked SA to take Dragic with the 45th pick.

    The Suns also picked Lopez, Morris, and Marshall, but they picked Lopez ahead of Hibbert, McGee, Hickson, Ryan Anderson, Ibaka, Batum, Pekovic, etc.

    They picked Morris ahead of Kawhi Leonard, Nik Vucevic, Shumpert, Faried, Chandler Parsons, and Isaiah Thomas.

    It’s probably too early to pass judgment on Marshall, as he hasn’t even played enough to get past the jitters yet.

  • Ty-Sun

    I was curious and started doing some research. The last “tall white dudes” born in the USA that made a real impact in the NBA – as centers – were Bill Walton and Jack Sikma.

    If you want to include 4′s in the equation, I haven’t done much research on that yet but only Kevin McHale seems to pop up as a dominant “tall white dude” that played PF and was born in the USA in recent history.

  • john

    I’d consider Bird a “tall white guy.” You’re right, it’s tough to find significantly impactful white bigs who were born in the US (or even outside the US, too).

  • azbballfan

    I dont care that every NBA team misses on the draft every once in a while.

    OKC doesnt miss often, and when they do no one cares cause they get talent back in a trade

    Wasting a pick on Cole Alrich didnt matter because they went and got someone better for nothing in Hasheem Thabeet.

    I am complaining about the Suns missing and missing year after year. When your front office doesnt know whats its doing and your scout department goes “Kendall Marshall is worth a lotto pick in a 2 point guard draft”

    These people need to actually watch these players.

    Pass-first point guards with no athleticism, scoring, or defense are lucky to be in the NBA at all.

    The Suns compound their mistakes by not developing thier guys when they get someone good anyway, so you gotta wonder what the hell draft process is

    is trelor, blanks, and blabby just sitting in a room shouting random names at each other and whoever gets bored first wins?

    I like Markieff Morris, but his numbers in college said “future quality role player” not building block player

    a rebuilding team that misses like the Suns have need a new front office, a new philosophy and a new scout.

    Even though im being negative here, i still think the Suns need to get as many picks as possible in this draft.

    The Suns have to learn how to draft, and develop people, There is not another team in the NBA that needs talent as badly as the suns.

    Besides i dont think we can get proven NBA talent for our picks, if the feeling marc stein has expressed in his steinline blog about top 5 teams considering selling their picks when the draft is 6 months away.

  • foreveris2long

    With Ross and Jeremy Lamb taken in the last draft prior to the Suns pick, I wanted the Suns to take John Henson from North Carolina. Just in the month of January he has had 5 games where he scored in double digits and three games where he had double digits in rebounding. I have thought for the past 2 years his ceiling is much higher than Morris.

  • DBreezy

    @Harry,

    The offense the Suns attempted to run under Gentry was the corner post offense that Dragic and Scola had been running in Houston previously and that Turner was familiar with from his days with Adelman. Goran was not running the same offense in Houston that he had been running with the Suns. I think there have been a lot of good articles on VOTS and FoxSportsAZ from Randy Hill about the specifics of the offense. I get and agree with you point about Goran being in attack mode, but the old offense didn’t really allow for that because it’s easier to clog the middle without shooters to space things out

    . Notice how Gortat scores mostly on little turnarounds and flippers in the post vs the roll finishes he got last season? The lane just isn’t open the same as it used to be and the personnel have a lot to do with it. Despite his efficiency at it, I think teams don’t mind leaving that Scola jumper open because it’s not the 3 that guys like Frye used to hit and it keeps the Suns off the FT line, helping to keep the overall scoring low.

  • DBreezy

    The thing to me about Morris is yes it’s doesn’t seem like he’s going to be more than a role player, but I think you can see a role for him with the Suns. To me he can eventually morph into a similar role as that of his fellow KU alum Nick Collison. Come out and play solid defense/rebound/hustle while hitting open shots on offense and finishing off cuts and rolls. He’s got more range than Nick and with the right matchup off an opponent’s bench he can even postup a little. Sure he has to up his FG% significantly as 40-41% is embarrassingly low for a PF, and he has to be more consistent with the focus he brings on the defensive end as soon as he hits the floor, but it’s not a stretch that he could do it.

    Marshall on the other hand, it’s kind of hard to see what his ultimate role could be at the moment. Not what his best talent is as that’s clear, but where that fit in a winning team’s rotation down the line. The pick is what it is at this point, but he’s got a lot of work to do to be useful on either end of the court. Hopefully he sees this with the PT coming to him and makes some adjustments to his game.

  • DBreezy

    I didn’t catch any games tonight as I was attempting to play some hoops myself, but WOW 20/12/4 for EC55 tonight with 4 of 5 from 3? Incroyable!

  • Scott

    Was just watching the draft video by Schmitz on Anthony Bennett. If you’re thinking of Bennett as SF in the NBA it sounds great until you get to the very end, where it shows he plays defense like Beasley and jacks shots up like Brown. ;)

    http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Anthony-Bennett-5866/

    [youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oekBTHJOL4?feature=player_embedded&w=640&h=360

  • foreveris2long

    Yeah DBreezy, here comes Earl. I saw most of the game and he is just balling on both ends of the court. He was even the feature on the post game show. An incredible turn around for a guy finally getting his chance. I remember on the other Suns msg board there were a number of fans questioning whether the guy was even an NBA caliber player. Shame on them and shame on the Suns for not doing a better job in exhibiting patience for a 6’10″ kid with good handles and who could defend. The Suns passed on EC (trade) and Henson (refused to draft) both long front court players with excellent athleticism who like playing defense.