Rudy Gay reportedly a trade target of the Phoenix Suns

Posted by on January 8th, 10:44 am

Rudy Gay is reportedly being heavily shopped around by the Memphis Grizzlies, and Yahoo!’s Adrian Wojnarowski reported Tuesday morning that the forward has drawn heavy interest from the Phoenix Suns.

Wojnarowski was told by sources that the Grizzlies would want Jared Dudley and future first-round picks, and it’s a wonder how willing Phoenix would be to give up any lottery picks considering the need to inject youth into the team that’s still a rebuilding project.

The Suns are lacking a marquee name, of course, and finding a player of Gay’s level would certainly appear as a big move to fix that problem.

Financially, how big would initially appear to be the issue holding back any trade between Memphis and Phoenix.

After all, Gay admitted to that he knew his contract was the reason trade rumors once again surround him.

How the Suns would be willing to absorb Gay’s massive contract that is worth $17.8 million and $19.3 million over the 2013-14 and 2014-15 seasons, respectively, is another question. Gay’s five-year, $82 million contract signed in the summer of 2010 is the one that Memphis has been looking to get off the books to ease their own salary cap situation, and Suns owner Robert Sarver’s opinion of Gay’s worth might be key in any deal.

It all hinges on how Sarver and the Suns front office views Gay’s star potential. He’s never been able to pull himself onto the elite pedestal with averages of 17.9 points and 5.7 rebounds in his six-plus year career. His averages this year are about the same, but he’s shooting a career-worst 40.8 percent.

He’s also 26 years old.

The Suns themselves have seen Gay’s upsides and downsides. Last year, Gay went for 32 points against Phoenix. He hit a huge game-tying shot earlier this season against the Suns, but the Grizzlies lost on Goran Dragic’s buzzer beater that came after Gay missed a go-ahead jumper (granted, a well-defended one).

And then, everything goes back to what the Suns give up and if they even have enough to land Gay. Memphis-based ESPN radio’s Chris Vernon tweeted Memphis front office sources said that a Suns-Grizzlies deal is unlikely because of how little Phoenix has to offer.

On their side are the Grizzlies, who appear to be very intent on trading away their leading scorer if, as Vernon tweeted, they improve as a team. Arguably, Dudley fits Memphis’ roster quite well, but how much addition by subtraction there is in a move involving Gay and Dudley is hard to say.

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61 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Andres // Jan 8, 2013 at 10:53 am

    Why would the Suns want to pay $17.8 million and $19.3 million over the 2013-14 and 2014-15 seasons for a player that isnt a star and has career averages of 17.9 points and 5.7 rebounds??
    I think the Suns should stay away from Rudy Gay
    Hopefully the Suns wont bite on this deal, especially if it includes 1st round picks and Dudley who is able to put similar numbers at much lower price tag

  • 2 Andres // Jan 8, 2013 at 11:01 am

    Could the Suns offer perhaps Gortat, Beasley and WJ for Rudy Gay? WJ expires at the end of this season so that would save Memphis more or less the amount that they want to be below the cap.

  • 3 Shawn // Jan 8, 2013 at 11:06 am

    I expect one of two things if a trade happens with Memphis.
    First, Memphis would need to take back one or both of Beasley and Shannon Brown to entice the Suns to absorb Gay’s contract.
    Secondly, and more realistically, if Memphis wants Dudley so bad, they may have a 3rd team lined up to provide the Suns with assets and that 3rd team would be the one acquiring Gay, not Phoenix. In that scenario, Memphis gets Dudley, the mystery 3rd team gets Gay and Phoenix gets players and or draft picks (in this scenario, Phoenix still might be able to rid themselves of Beasley and or Brown, too).

  • 4 Nick // Jan 8, 2013 at 11:08 am

    Dudley couldn’t put up those numbes even if he wanted to.

  • 5 @Mikel_hAz // Jan 8, 2013 at 11:15 am

    Gay is a lot better than any option we currently have! I would do it in a heartbeat!! Get it done!!

  • 6 Shawn // Jan 8, 2013 at 11:17 am

    Agreed, but have you seen his contract? That’s the problem. I think if you include Beasley and Brown, it’s about the same. Instead of having 3 guys taking up money on horrible contracts, you’ve only got one (for the same amount of time, too). Plus, Gay can actually help the team unlike Beasley and Brown.

  • 7 Cam // Jan 8, 2013 at 11:31 am

    I think the problem is the Griz actually want future picks out of this. Unless the Suns are only giving up 2nd round picks then its not worth it. Go Suns.

  • 8 john // Jan 8, 2013 at 11:47 am

    The Suns have to include picks or the money won’t work.

    Gay is a much more potent scoring threat than Dudley, but he’s not a markedly better player. There isn’t a very good reason to actually attempt to make this deal happen.

    A look inside some of Gay’s career numbers to show how average he has been (with a FAR above average salary):

    WS/48: 0.083
    PER: 16.2
    PTS: 17.9 (his best skill is scoring, by far)
    RBS: 5.7
    AST: 2.0
    STL: 1.3
    TRB%: 9.3
    BLK%: 1.9
    USG%: 24.0
    ORtg: 104
    DRtg: 108 (his net Rtg has never been higher than 3, and has been negative in 4 seasons, positive in 2, and neutral in 1)
    His highest win share total was 6.4
    Highest PER was 17.8

    Everything about Rudy Gay throughout his entire career has been at or slightly above average. How he got his monster deal, I have no idea.

  • 9 Forever is2long // Jan 8, 2013 at 12:09 pm

    In my opinion he is not worth the money. However if we could include Beasley and Dudley in the deal and relinquish the worst of our I believe two 1st round picks, I might do it. Gay’s name will help attract some free agency talent to the Suns. Since I wanted to shop Gortat in the summer, I would definitely be shopping him now as his best days are behind him(see Nash). However Memphis would not have any interest in him.

  • 10 Cam // Jan 8, 2013 at 12:10 pm

    If it has to include pics I think the Suns should pass on the trade. Dudley has decent value on the market and I think the Suns could get a better deal somewhere else. I would rather they keep Dudley unless something comes that they absolutely couldn’t pass up. He is a veteran presence that the Suns should keep as they continue to get younger in the next few years. Unless he asks out you keep him around. Go Suns.

  • 11 Ty-Sun // Jan 8, 2013 at 12:22 pm

    I think that Gay’s scoring average would go up in Phoenix simply because he would instantly become the featured scorer here. How much it would go up I can only guess.

    Would it be worth taking on such a huge salary? Well, that would depend on what the Suns would have to give up AND how much his scoring might improve here. The rumor might be that Memphis is after Dudley but they might settle for Johnson and his expiring contract.

    What pick(s) do they want? He’s certainly not worth the Suns’ own 1st rounder this year. Are there any other teams that might get involved in a 3 or even 4 team deal?

    It’s worth exploring but by no way is it a slam dunk deal.

  • 12 JoeT // Jan 8, 2013 at 12:23 pm

    Don’t trade Dudley, Don’t Trade Shanon Brown. Stay patient. Rudy Gay is not all that!!! Suns are in rebuilding mode, that sucks but lets not get to quick to pull the trigger on a deal that wont help Phoenix now or going forward. Becoming a bottom dweller for a season or 2 will help us with some draft picks. Its tough being a Suns fan right now, but look at the Lakers, on paper there a championship team, in reality they are terrible.

  • 13 Yohance // Jan 8, 2013 at 12:32 pm

    I think the Suns must at least consider this trade proposal.
    I mean I like Dudley as much as the next guy but Rudy Gay has a lot more upside
    and is a more proven scorer and thats is one of the things that we need when a game is close. All good teams have at least one person that they can draw a play up or say go get us this game and score that final basket.
    With that being said. I. still think that the Suns will have to make some more moves to build for the future. I say the only person that is almost close to untouchable should be Dragic. Everyone else should be fair game and I would even consider sacrificing a draft pick or two if we could get some good young talent. For example L. Aldridge, Paul George, Monte Ellis, Austin Rivers, Avery Bradley, Rondo, etc.

  • 14 Ty-Sun // Jan 8, 2013 at 12:38 pm


    There actually is a good reason to make this trade but it has little to do with improving the team. To the average fan this would LOOK like Sarver and the FO are finally bringing in some proven talent to the team. Yes, Gay isn’t a star player but he could look like one in Phoenix which would be a very good PR move.

  • 15 Trevor // Jan 8, 2013 at 1:09 pm

    Any of you who say this trade would be good for us is NUTS. Would I like to have Gay on our team? Yes. Would I trade away Dudley and first round picks for him? NO.

    Think about it as far as just the picks first. They will most likely want one of the 2013 first rounders, both of which are bound to be lottery picks, at least as of right now. Then on top of that, since Dudley and our 6 mil cap space aren’t enough to absorb it, we’d have to send others with Dudley. Those would most likely be expiring contracts which, the Suns originally stated, were to be used with the cap space to produce enough money to make a trade for a star or sign a star FA.

    If the Suns don’t do this trade and instead look for a lateral trade (Gortat and others for another center, or at least a similar salary), then we can have both our first rounders this year to trade up to a higher pick or have two young lottery prospects to try to get our new team star while also having tons of cap space to sign a FA or still do a trade for a star FA.

    I have to say I did like Shawn’s idea of a 3-team deal in which we are able to dump contracts while obtaining even more picks or players to try to find this team’s identity (other than loser).

  • 16 john // Jan 8, 2013 at 1:11 pm


    Agreed, it would (at least temporarily) create some interest in the team from the common fan.

    Like Yohance, I believe the deal needs to be explored. Everyone has a price, and if the Suns could offload a few contracts and actually swing the deal to TAKE some picks from Memphis, I’d be extremely interested. For instance, give Beasley, Dudley, and Gortat to Memphis for Gay and 2 future first-rounders… I’d strongly consider that if I was in the position to make that move. Not because I think it would make the Suns better immediately, but it would serve to offload two headaches (Beasley and Gortat), get a modest immediate return, and serve the supposed goal of building for the future.

    Every deal is worth looking at. I just think that, as it is presumed to be at the moment (Dudley and picks for Gay), I would look at for a few seconds and say “no, thanks, what else you got?”

  • 17 azbballfan // Jan 8, 2013 at 1:34 pm

    The Suns have a combined 10 1st and 2nd round picks in the next 3 drafts

    IF i could get Memphis to take on, say, Beasley, Dudley and Channing Frye contract and not give away too many draft picks i would do this trade

    Now, is Gay gonna be ok with going to one of the best teams in the NBA to one of the worst?

    we would be stuck with a gauranteed 82 million dollar deal

    that would probably be unmoveable

    i would want something else from Memphis too

    like young center Hamad Hadaddi

    that would give us someone to replace Gortat when we, say ship him to OKC for Kevin Martins expiring deal and the Raptors lotto pick that is unprotected.

    that would give us a lineup of Haddadi, Scola, Gay, Martin, and Dragic

    with a bench of Tucker, Brown, Morris, and Telfair

    sounds like that would make the Suns good enough to get to the playoffs but not be good enough to be anything other than the 7th seed and we are rebuilding the team again 2 years from now

    Sounds like a deal Sarvers not gonna pass up

    I wouldnt do this deal if i was the Suns because of long term effects but im not the owner you know what i mean

  • 18 Ty-Sun // Jan 8, 2013 at 1:38 pm

    As a final note, I don’t like this trade idea simply because it doesn’t address the Suns’ most pressing positional need, the 2.

    Gay isn’t significantly better than Dudley to make this trade and clog up the Suns’ future salary cap flexibility AND give away draft picks too.

    If there’s a 3/4 team deal out there somewhere that the Suns could use to bring in a good, solid 2 guard that we could work with Memphis (without giving away more than a second round pick or two) since they seem determined to ship Gay out, that seems reasonable wherever Gay actually winds up.

  • 19 john // Jan 8, 2013 at 1:44 pm


    And if Sarver doesn’t make the deal (I’m pretending like it’s the owner who pulls the trigger on things like this, not the people who are hired to make these decisions, since that’s the way so many Suns fans like to pretend it is), will you say he actually must know something to avoid making what you consider to be a bad deal?

    Doubt it. Haters gonna hate.

  • 20 DBreezy // Jan 8, 2013 at 1:49 pm

    “I’ve got two tickets to paradise, pack your bags we’ll leave tonight. Two tickets to paradise, whoa, whoa……..”

    I don’t like this deal at all but there could be several people in Suns management all for it mostly for the wrong reasons. I don’t think it pushes the needle on anything other than worsening their draft pick a touch and their cap flexibility going forward. I suppose it would also make the Gortat situation just like every other free agent deal here where the Suns hold on until the last minute to decide to let him go for free agency bird feed. I bet they’d give Dragic, SG X, Gay, Scola, and Gortat a long leash next season.

  • 21 azbballfan // Jan 8, 2013 at 2:15 pm

    I dont “hate” anyone

    but you cant sacrifice the future of the team, for, at best, a 7th seed in the brutal western conference.

    Gay is way overpayed and the only way this deal ends up being a win is if it sets up another deal that includes future lotto picks and young players for the Suns

    (i.e. Gortat and Johnson and Telfair for picks and a very, very good 2)

    I am assuming it really comes down to the owner, Sarver, to make the final say. Unless its really all blanks and babby and sarver just writes the checks

    paying 82 mil to someone not named Lebron, or Durant would be silly in my opinion.

    Even if they make this trade i still see the Suns in rebuild mode

  • 22 Fan in Chi Town // Jan 8, 2013 at 2:39 pm

    I like Gay but not enough to make this deal. The Suns could have gotten basically the same player in Monta just by trading either Gortat or Lopez straight up to Golden State. Instead Milwaukee traded an injured, and still uselesss to this day Bogut and got him.

    Just another deal this FO slept on, just like Harden.

  • 23 john // Jan 8, 2013 at 2:56 pm


    I agree that the deal as we currently think it has been proposed makes no basketball sense. We’re on the same page there.

    One thing to note, though, is that the Suns wouldn’t owe Gay $82M. He makes about $37M for the next two years, plus I’d assume he has another ~$8M coming his way this year. So, the Suns would be on the hook for about $45M over 2.5 years… not like that’s acceptable or anything. That’s still outrageously high for a guy like Gay, you’re right.

    @Fan in Chi Town – I was all about Monta. And how Blabby let that Harden deal slip by them… just terrible. I am extremely disappointed that Phoenix wasn’t (to my knowledge) trying to get in on those deals.

  • 24 Ty-Sun // Jan 8, 2013 at 3:13 pm

    After looking at some other info on the net, I think that Memphis is the one trying to push this deal, not Phoenix.

    It makes little sense for Phoenix to make a deal like this as early as it is before the trade deadline but if Memphis really wants to move Gay then it makes a lot of sense for them to do it now instead of later. Why? It gives them more time for the team to adjust to the roster changes before the playoffs come. And even without Gay, Memphis will make the playoffs this year.

    I think that Memphis is trying to push this trade on Phoenix because they think that the Suns suck enough NOW that they might give up too much to get a very good but not great player with an overinflated contract just to salvage something out of this season.

    Hopefully the Suns’ FO isn’t desperate enough to bite.

  • 25 mjd // Jan 8, 2013 at 3:14 pm

    Gay is being undervalued here. He doesn’t produce over 20 a night in Memphis, because he isn’t the center of that offense. OJ Mayo didn’t average many points there either, but he’s blowing up now in Dallas. The deal won’t happen because Memphis doesn’t want Gortat or Beasley (see M Gasol and Randolph), and Dudley by himself doesn’t cover the league trade rules.

  • 26 john // Jan 8, 2013 at 3:22 pm

    @mjd – “[OJ Mayo is] blowing up now in Dallas.”

    Really? He’s not bad, but “blowing up?”

    18.3 points, 3.7 assists, and 3.6 rebounds in 35.6 minutes is “blowing up?” I know the Suns suck, so it’s probably messing with our perspectives as fans, but those aren’t amazing numbers. They’re decent, maybe a little above average or a little below average, depending on whether you value scoring or team play more.

    OJ Mayo Advanced:

    WS/48 – 0.076
    PER – 16.0
    eFG% – 53.8
    AST% – 18.2
    STL% – 1.8
    TOV% – 16.2
    ORtg – 104
    DRtg – 109

    That’s pretty average, if you ask me. He was doing much better at the beginning of the season, I’ll give you that, but things have a way of evening out, and OJ Mayo is an average player, through and through (just like Gay).

  • 27 Bryan // Jan 8, 2013 at 3:33 pm

    Given that the Suns are currently under the cap I could see Memphis interested in a Gay for Dudley/Brown/W.Johnson+picks, but if I am the Suns I am holding out to include Beasely or Frye. Pretty sure it’s a non-starter for both teams right now, but as we get closer to the trade deadline and it becomes clear that Memphis is not going to challenge for the title and Phoenix is one of the 2 or 3 worst teams in the west it might pick up again.

  • 28 Ty-Sun // Jan 8, 2013 at 3:34 pm

    According to ESPN’s trade machine, a trade for Beasley and Johnson for Gay actually works without Phoenix throwing in any draft picks. For Dudley and Johnson it doesn’t work.

    If Memphis is willing to take Beasley and Johnson (with his expiring contract) for Gay, then it could be worth the trade. If they want Dudley, Johnson and a draft pick (or two), no.

  • 29 mjd // Jan 8, 2013 at 3:38 pm

    Mayo was averaging over 20 PPG early this year, but as you mentioned has since cooled off. I was just pointing out that as the Grizzlies offense evolved towards the post game with Randolph/Gasol, Mayo’s PPG dropped from ~18 PPG all the way to 12.6 in his final year coming off the bench. If the Suns make the deal, they are gambling on Gay’s scoring average going up significantly in a different offense.

  • 30 Polish_fan // Jan 8, 2013 at 3:48 pm

    Gortat wont go to the teams with good centers – Grizz or OKC as they dont want him
    I would wait for a Star not a lil over average player. Or the Suns can take Gay but at the same time they will secure money for max paid star. Then its fine with me….
    Dragic/Gay/Gortat/star/good draft pick after high lottery pick

  • 31 john // Jan 8, 2013 at 4:01 pm

    @mjd – Fair enough, and good points on the evolution of Memphis’s offense. Z-Bo is a BEAST, btw. I’d kill to have a guy like that in PHX right now.

  • 32 cdubbb // Jan 8, 2013 at 4:07 pm

    The most Id give up for Gay is Dudley, Brown, and a 1st rd pick. Gay is an above average scorer. He maybe average at everything else, but that man can flat out shoot the ball. Then consider how much more freedom and oppertunity he will have in our offense, he could very well get to the mid 20s… but we cant overpay for him.

  • 33 frenchysunsfan // Jan 8, 2013 at 4:09 pm

    Gay would be a a good deal for the Suns but the trade should include Beasley + late draft picks. The front office should also keep an eye on Pau Gasol.
    Send Morris or Scola, Marshall + Gortat in exchange for Blake and Gasol.
    Our 1st round pick must be kept, I think it will be a top 5 pick this year …

  • 34 Luka // Jan 8, 2013 at 4:12 pm

    Suns are better off not doing this trade. They can upgrade their backcourt through the draft or free agency a lot more cheaply.

  • 35 Cam // Jan 8, 2013 at 4:14 pm

    Gortat to Boston is what I’m waiting to see. I think the Suns could pry away a pick and possibly a young player. If they could find a way to get Avery Bradley and Fab Melo I would be ecstatic. Dragic and Bradley in the backcourt would give the Suns some defensive presence there. Fab Melo may be really raw on offense but the kid just put up 23 blocks in 3 games. He could shore up that interior defense and give the Suns the ability to focus on other positions in the draft.


    Go Suns.

  • 36 azbballfan // Jan 8, 2013 at 4:27 pm


    Yeah i thought i read somewhere that he was owed that much, so if your numbers are correct then my mistake.

    It seems like the Suns would have the upper hand in this deal you would think, because a big contract, without some additional perks like draft picks is not gonna be moved unless someone is desperate to sell and someone else is desperate to buy

    i would do this deal if i could, say, keep dragic, our 2013 draft choice and pair Rudy Gay with another star thats young like Tyreke Evans

    still you have to be really careful you dont want your two stars clogging cap space like someones arteries at the heart attack grill, only to have them be flanked by mnimum guys and they wont go farther then the 2nd round

    then you would just be rebuilding all over again

    rebuilding through the draft is the cheapest, but takes the most time.

    if the Suns magically pull of a coup like that you would still need draft picks to pan out, and that hasnt happened in about 10 years

  • 37 Scott // Jan 8, 2013 at 4:32 pm

    My belief is that Memphis will get a deal done elsewhere, maybe something like trading Gay straight up for the recovering Danny Granger.

    As for the Suns, this is more salary than the Suns would want to take on for a marginal star. Gay currently has a PER of 14.9, which is less than Dudley’s 15.9.

    The Suns would have been far better off signing Mayo to $8 million a year, and that’s not even counting the loss of Dudley or picks in the theoretically proposed trade reported by Wojnarowski.

    The only way I can make a Gay trade palatable for the Suns is to put Beasley in, and since the Griz aren’t going to want him, that probably means involving another team, like the Bobcats.

    The following trade works. It has marginal upside for all the teams involved. Here’s who gets what …

    Phoenix: Gay, Wroten

    Memphis: Brown, Telfair, Tucker, Diop, plus the lowest of the Suns’ 1st round picks in 2013 (lottery protected).

    If the Lakers pratfall this season, this would probably return Memphis’s own pick to them (via Houston, via Minnesota, via Phoenix). Otherwise, it would be Miami’s pick.

    Charlotte: Beasley

  • 38 Scott // Jan 8, 2013 at 5:03 pm

    With the above trade, the Suns would have the option of asking for Wroten or Selby. Both players are SGs, but Wroten has the size for it and can defend.

    The advantage for the Suns is that with the trade above they finally have an above average starting unit and a go-to scorer in Gay. They pay a high price for it, but right now the Suns have the salary room available.

    Trading away Telfair would force Gentry into using either Marshall or Garrett for the 2nd unit. However, aside from this Gentry could tighten up the rotation (like he keeps threatening to do), getting it down to nine players. Or he could put Wroten in as backup SG.

    Starters: Dragic, Gay, Dudley, Scola, Gortat

    Backups: O’Neal, Morris, Johnson, (Wroten), coach’s choice PG

    Deep on the bench: Zeller, other PG, Frye (injured list)

  • 39 @Mikel_hAz // Jan 8, 2013 at 5:06 pm

    Gay might not be top tier but he’s second tier! And he would help the suns big time! Imagine girltot, scola, gay, dragic…suns should make this trade! You people are always talking about sarver being cheap, n yet right now nobody wants to overpay to get Rudy gay! I’d make this trade in a heartbeat! There’s no guarantee suns will get anything better in the draft. Plus he’s 26 n not injury prone like e. Gordon. Sooo…..

  • 40 DBreezy // Jan 8, 2013 at 5:33 pm

    I fail to see the need for this particular deal period, but definitely at this time for the Suns. Even if you believe in Gay as a star and upgrade over what the Suns have currently , I don’t see him sparking a run into playoff contention. So why do this deal before the end of the season and hurt your draft position? Memphis is the one who needs the salary dump. As the Suns love to draft primarily on positional need, why make a deal that makes your weakness at the 2 even more apparent that could jeopardize your shot at Shabazz, Goodwin, or Maclemore?

    Also, I don’t really understand everyone’s hurry to get rid of Beasley in what amounts to a bad money deal. The Suns can waive him at anytime and stretch his cap hit out over several years. You get the roster spot back and the cost of that is far less than taking on max money. Getting rid of a bad deal is a lot different now than it was under the old cba-you don’t see the same rush we usually do around this time of teams trying to unload their bad signings from the summer.

  • 41 DBreezy // Jan 8, 2013 at 5:37 pm

    It’s cold to say this, but if they really want to dump a contract in the deal one from the old cba like Frye’s makes a lot more sense. It possibly avoids an awkward situation where Frye isn’t ready to come back, but doesn’t qualify or want a medical retirement waiver from the league or simply no longer fits what the team wants at that time.

  • 42 john // Jan 8, 2013 at 6:01 pm

    @DBreezy – You heartless JERK! ;)

  • 43 DBreezy // Jan 8, 2013 at 6:12 pm

    Tom this is business, and this man is taking it very, very personal….

  • 44 Geminid670 // Jan 8, 2013 at 6:21 pm

    Can the Suns just decide if they are truly in a rebuilding phase, or must they keep grasping at straws to remain ‘competitive’?

    Beasley was your $ gamble and didn’t pan out. Accept this season as a rebuilding and KEEP all of your lottery balls!

  • 45 PennyAnd1 // Jan 8, 2013 at 6:46 pm

    I don’t understand why Suns are trading their high IQ players. Dudz has been the brightest of the Sun. Why not trade Morris, Brown, and anyone else? Why trade another smart? I guess the FOs doesn’t understand that you got to have brains to win games.

    Where’s Marshall? With the losing going on, I say trade Telfair and give Marshall a chance to shine. Gentry has been a very bad coach. Last game against Grizz, Brown was the reason Suns were struggling, yet he was the one kept in the 4th quarter while Johnson was taken out. I really don’t get what people are seeing.

    Suns are losing because of the collection of dumb players we have. Get rid of Dudz & Marshall, and we’ll be the dumbest team in the NBA.

  • 46 Geminid670 // Jan 8, 2013 at 7:05 pm


    I agree on the ‘forgotten’ players; where are Marshall and Wes J? Maybe I’ve been fast forwarding too many games? I barely recognize their names!

    Maybe coach can find some minutes for the far end bench? I’m still a Gentry supporter, but sadly I’m starting to think his hands are somewhat tied by management to experiment. His ‘lame duck’ contract status may have something to do with that too.

  • 47 PennyAnd1 // Jan 8, 2013 at 7:18 pm


    You honestly believe Gentry is being told not to play Marshall or Johnson? I hope that’s the case. We’re losing anyways, what does Gentry got to lose by playing those guys. I still believe that it would be a big mistake if Suns trades Marshall without giving him a shot.

  • 48 PennyAnd1 // Jan 8, 2013 at 7:31 pm

    Gentry needs to try this lineup:

    PG – Marshall
    SG – Dragic
    SF – Dudz
    PF – Scola
    C – Gortat

  • 49 Geminid670 // Jan 8, 2013 at 7:59 pm


    Don’t want to be a fatalist, but why wouldn’t Gentry play those guys (if for no other reason than to send the rest of the bench a message)? Did they fall that far out of favor and in the doghouse in practice?

    Even Elliott ‘Socks’ Perry saw the court more than these reserves . . .

  • 50 Mark Ochs // Jan 8, 2013 at 8:34 pm

    Trade ALL of the BUMS on the Suns for draft picks and promote the D-League players for the rest of the year. This season is already LOST. Rudy GAY? He’s worthless. Start over from scratch: It’s the ONLY way!

  • 51 azbballfan // Jan 8, 2013 at 8:36 pm

    Gotta have the brains to win games, i like that!

    So anyone read the book Flowers for Algernon?

    can the team eye doctor do some surgery where our least fundamental players suddenly learn basic defensive concepts?

    I dont really think Memphis, if it is indeed interested in improving the team instead of dumping salary

    would wheel and deal with Phoenix, we just dont have anyone they want

    I think if the Suns are still getting beaten up by the time the all star game rolls around they need to look at the future.

    the Suns i think lost tonight at the Bucks which would make them 2-15 on the road.

    Can you get each suns player own little island and have him fight his backup for minutes?

    of course im not actually suggesting that, im really saying they need to play the young guys or make a trade for the future that doesnt nuke cap space that the suns have been hoarding

  • 52 SHAZAM // Jan 8, 2013 at 9:37 pm

    the sun and the moon and the stars…call me a cynic but i think the only thing sarver has agreed to is for his pr team to feign interest to excite the fan base..pulling the old eric gordon on us and its working..look at all the comments. @AZBBALLFAN lmao i was in flowers for algernon they play at arcadia high school.. @ MARK OOCHS i totally agree with you..REALLY blow this pathetic tub of stink to smithereens and go D league for real..

  • 53 SHAZAM // Jan 8, 2013 at 9:38 pm

    wish comments could be edited on this format THE play

  • 54 Robert Sarver // Jan 8, 2013 at 10:49 pm

    Hey fans, I know you all have been frustrated with this season so far, and so have I. I know we are currently 12 games under .500, but it is still early and I know we can make moves to get this ship turned around and fight for the playoffs.

    I have instructed Lon and Lance to seek any moves that can make this team better now. We have assets, the picks, that I am willing to sacrifice so that we can be a better team now and make a run for the playoffs.

    I understand the frustrations with all the losing, and trust me I see all the frustrations and empty seats, and I hate it too. We can’t wait for possible outcomes for the future, we have to focus on making this team better now and giving the great fans of Phoenix a product to cheer for.

    I know Lon and Lance are working overtime to help this team get better NOW and win NOW. I cannot confirm or deny that Rudy Gay is being looked at, but I can confirm that the front office and I, under my orders, are working to make this team better now.

    Cheers and happy new year Suns fans! We will be back in the playoffs!


  • 55 Rishi // Jan 8, 2013 at 11:14 pm

    If this is really Robert Sarver, hey pal as a fellow UofA alumni, I understand that we need to put fans in the seats and make sure we have a profitable product. Having Rudy Gay might entice other free agents to look to come here and I think that this is one of the real reasons that you would pull the trigger on this trade. I just hope that once you do obtain a core group of all stars that you don’t start selling draft picks again to keep the core together. Please don’t mortgage our future again like that, for I am sure that you have the funds to sustain some financial losses. In fact, if I recall correctly, you traded for Shaq and that put you into luxury tax status in the past.

    If it were as simple as it is in video games, draft and develop good players and then trade them when their rookie contract is up for some more top 10 draft picks while retaining your “core” in tact. Anyhow, I digress.

  • 56 Rishi // Jan 8, 2013 at 11:32 pm

    Dear Robert Sarver,
    Please don’t be short sighted by giving away our draft picks to get fans in the seats. I think keeping draft picks and using the free agency is the only way to develop and make progress now. Why not do our best with what we have this season, get a couple of great first round draft picks (our own and from the Lakers) and use our cap space from expiring contracts to make a run at some free agents?

    I suppose the fear here is that we will come up empty just like Dallas did, and yes Dallas did have Dirk and we really don’t have a star to pair them with, but not knowing your financial situation and how much red ink you can sustain for personal losses, its hard for fans to truly understand why you want to obtain Rudy Gay and mortgage your future draft picks and cap flexibility.

    Already this Summer it has been proven that a maximum caliber player (supposedly) Eric Gordon will be willing to play for Phoenix, so we don’t necessarily have to make a panic move just yet.

    I like Rudy Gay, I would not accept a deal that gives away draft picks. Draft picks have great value in that rookie contracts are cap friendly. I hope we have some great scouts, spend some money on hiring great scouts and lets start playing Kendall Marshall and see what he can do.

    The focus on player development for the Suns may be in its infancy, but it can wield great results for us if we have multiple draft picks to use them on. Lets see if we can have a good mix of obtaining a marquee player like Gay without giving away all of our draft picks and cap flexibility. Trade Gortat away for some draft picks too before you are unwilling to give him what he is going to demand on his next contract. The guy is a sunk cost in economics, as he is already refusing to sign an extension. You must move him before the trade deadline for some good talent and draft picks.

    Rishi, Suns fan living in the enemy territory of San Antonio.

  • 57 Unreal // Jan 9, 2013 at 12:51 am

    Player efficiency rating, Dudley ranks 113, gay ranks 138 estimated win added Dudley 2.8, Gay 2.5 This trade straight up we would be getting fleeced and we’re going to through in a pick to boot for an albatross of a contract. Stay away from Gay, stay far away!!!

  • 58 bk // Jan 9, 2013 at 9:14 am

    Ridiculous if they make this trade. It means that the FO is not willing to pay Nash at $10M/yr but is willing to pay Gay at $18M/yr.

  • 59 Troy // Jan 9, 2013 at 9:41 am

    literally just LOL’d at Frechysunsfan’s idea….

  • 60 Rishi // Jan 9, 2013 at 10:35 am

    I think this trade for Rudy Gay is probably going to happen, but as Unreal posted, his PER is worse than Dudley’s. This is a straight up marketing ploy to get more people in the seats and doesn’t constitute a long term vision of getting the best players for your roster. The problem is many people who live in Phoenix are from other parts of the country and are fair weather fans who only support the team when they are good. Much like Laker fans are spoiled by Championships, Suns fans have been spoiled for a long time with playoff appearances. Hopefully the team can get it together before being mediocre for years and years like the Pistons, Wizards, Bobcats, etc.

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