How does Michael Beasley fit with the Phoenix Suns?

  • Scott

    Not related to the video, but I noticed that ESPN has the Suns in their top five teams expected to have the most turmoil / problems this season.

    Phoenix is joined on that list by the Knicks, Magic, Kings, and Bulls. (Suns were #5.)

    I think it’s expected that without Nash leading, the team will utterly fall apart, but I don’t see it. Gentry coached the Clippers before. He knows how to rein in knuckleheads, and the Suns don’t have many knuckleheads anyway.

  • Keith

    Agreed, Scott. And the Bulls? I thought Rose was healing well?!

    Anyway, I think Beasley is going to have his best season yet. We are going to put him in the best possible position to succeed, and if it’s ever going to happen, it’s going to happen here.For the first time, he’s going to have complete confidence and trust from the organization and be allowed to play his game and encouraged by a player’s coach (not some out-of-touch white guy) to play and take his shots and not hang his head over his mistakes. There will be some growing pains sure, but he’ll have freedom and confidence.

    If we had Nash, I’d say it would be guaranteed that like so many players that have come before he would get more wide-open looks than ever and have his best season. We don’t have Nash, but I still think he’ll excel in scoring. He’ll still be weak in many other areas (rebounding, defense, assists, turnovers, etc) but he gonna light it up. He’s going to play 35+ mins per game and have the green light for the first time. Anywhere from 18-25 ppg is likely. I am going with 21.8.

    He’ll be a one-way player but he gonna do that well. If he can get better at the 3s and in the low post, he can easily become one of the best scorers in the NBA in the next few years. Can we get him to round out his game and just stop being a knucklehead and play within the team? That’s the question. If it’s gonna happen, Phoenix will be the place. I am cautiously optimistic.

  • Scott

    While I wish Beasley and the Suns luck with this, I’m not a believer in the idea that you can take a guy with low b-ball IQ and turn him into a great team player. Great athletes who have low IQ and poor defensive skills may look like stars in individual play, or against lesser players (as in college), but as far as team play in the NBA goes, they’re liabilities.

    As part of their discipline, Suns GMs need to select only players with at least average defensive skills and b-ball IQ. This year Blanks added 3 players notably deficient in IQ / court vision: Beasley, WJ, and Brown. Telfair, for a PG, is not much better; I’d rate him as average IQ if he is played as an undersized SG.

    I don’t think the Spurs GM would pick these players, and it’s one of those things that makes the Spurs more successful than the Suns.

  • http://n/a Keith

    Um, Scott. Stephen Jackson is on line one and would like a word with you. Haha.

    I agree with you to a point. But you can have one or two of these guys, depending on who else is on your team. We’d have better luck if we still had nash and Hill. But now we don’t. So who’s going to lead the team and get these guys to toe the line? Dudz? Dragic? Should be interesting. But a lot of championship teams have had selfish chuckers somewhere in the lineup….

  • http://n/a Keith

    And then its like who else would you have gotten? We got guys with potential for cheap, short deals, mostly. Low risk, I’d say.

  • steve

    I’m of the opinion that IQ can be taught, or at the very least, you can teach someone what NOT to do very easily (sometimes teaching someone the right thing to do can be much more difficult). If that’s the case, I don’t see it as such a terrible thing to pick guys up who have “low IQ’s.” Beasley can be taught, and he can learn. It’s all a question of whether or not he’s willing. I think there’s good reason to doubt his will power, but I also know it’s not completely out of the question to believe that Michael Beasley has experienced a paradigm shift.

  • http://n/a Keith

    *clapping. * Agreed.

  • jeremiehawkins614

    The suns will make the playoffs and Beasley will be a big part of it mark my words just watch not saying a championship is coming this season but making the playoffs and making some noise is very seeable i think these guy’s will come together and play very good might even become a young power house call me crazy but when these guys do it you will see i’m not tripping Dragic will command his troops and Marshall will do the same

  • Scott

    @steve -

    I see b-ball IQ as being linked to the ability to learn. If someone has a good IQ, like Dudley, they continue learning and developing, and that’s why you pick them. They can typically survive changing position from where they played in college to where they’ll play in the NBA, and if they are physically able, they will play more than one position.

    Other guys, who have low IQs, never develop much past where they were in college, which is also often not far beyond where they were in high school.

    I don’t consider ignorance to count as part of IQ, and I don’t think scouts consider it that way either. Normally if a player is inexperienced or ignorant, they’ll use the term “raw” rather than “low IQ.”

    For example, Amare came into the league termed “raw.” However, he had a high IQ and was able to continue scoring against quality opposition (Garnett) even though he was making the same move time after time.

    Before long, Amare developed a dependable jump shot, and this year we’ll see if he picked up anything from Olajuwan.

    If he’d applied himself more diligently on defense – which is a different issue than IQ – then, who knows, he might be in consideration for Hall of Fame.

    Motor, defense, and being a knucklehead … these things are all separate from b-ball IQ.

    @Keith -

    The 2011 scouting report for Stephen Jackson indicates he has at least decent court vision / IQ, because he has solid passing ability. I’d say that’s the key trait for IQ. He’s also a solid defender in transition, which requires predictive ability, and he’s solid at pushing the ball in an uptempo game, so again he can probably see opportunities before they unfold. He’s solid at stopping dribble penetration, and gets fouled often, which are other signs of IQ.

    Now sure, Jackson is also a knucklehead who punches fans and fires guns at strip clubs. He’s not WISE. He just has a good b-ball IQ.

  • Bill-in-Tokyo

    VOS’s next article on Mr. Beasley should center on what he is and has been doing in the off season and as a ward of the Suns. Work will free this young man of his label. It will also answer all of the above speculation about his future success. Idle hands do the devil’s work, n’est pas? End of aphorisms.

  • JT’s Hoops Blog

    This guy has the potential to be a star. I do not understand why so many people knock on him. Phoenix is the perfect place for him to exploit his talent. can’t wait to see him play.

  • Sam

    Beasley has always been listed at 6-10 but he is only 6-7, and somehow looks even smaller than that on the court. Maybe it’s his wdith, or that he seems to always be crouching?

    As noted by many commentators here, he’s probably more suited to play PF but he’s probably atrocious defensively at that position. A team could probably get away with it if he played alongside Howard, Bogut, or Chandler. Probably even Okafor.

  • Scott

    @Sam -

    Beasley was listed at 6′ 8.25″ in shoes when he was drafted. Sometimes young players continue to grow after the draft, as happened with Leandro, but it seems unlikely that Beasley has added a full 2″.

    His height of 6′ 8″ and his weight (235) would make him a SF in the NBA.

    FWIW, Jared Dudley measured at 6′ 5.75″ in bare feet and 6′ 7.25″ with shoes in the draft. He’s listed at 6′ 7″, 225 lbs.

  • Ty-Sun

    I don’t give damn if Beasley is 6-10 or 5-10 as long as he can produce points on the court. THAT is why the Suns are taking a chance on him.

    But how well the Suns do this year isn’t all on Beasley. Gortat is the only sure returning starter from last year (and maybe not if O’Neal is really as rejuvenated after his knee treatment as some people claim) but most of this team has never played together and they may be a total mess at the beginning of the season. That’s the real question this year. How soon will Gentry be able to figure out how to get the best out of all the new and different parts he is being given this year.

    There are a few pluses though. Dragic is already familiar with Scola, Dudley and Frye. Beasley and Johnson are familiar with each other. Brown, Telfair, Morris, Gortat, Frye and Dudley all played together last year. Marshall, Morris and Tucker are familiar with each other from the summer league. And even O’Neal and Beasley are familiar with each other from their days in Miami together.

    Put all that together and maybe this team will gel sooner than later… but maybe not. I’m sure that this team will be much better by the end of the season than at the beginning. How fast they come together is anyone’s guess.

  • Scott

    A minor note, but one that may play out in rotations, is that Telfair was PG for both Beasley and Johnson in Minnesota.

    I don’t think this team will play like they’re a mess; at least not once the regular season starts. I think the key bit of integration that will have to happen is with the starting front court of Gortat, Scola, and Beasley, in that they’re going to have to learn to coordinate who likes to be where. Aside from that, I’m not too familiar with Dragic running the pick and roll, so I have a question on how well he’ll do with Gortat, but on the other hand, both players played with Nash (and with Gentry as coach), so there should be a shared expectation of how it should be run.

  • B. Cray Z.

    Free agent LB needs tome back home.

    MUST reunite that killer bench unit. Let’s go SUNS!!!!

  • jf

    sole reason why timberwolves will do better this season.

  • Rich Anthony, (KJL)

    I’ve gone radio silent for the most part mainly because of thread discussions like this one.

    There is no point getting all worked up and discussing the “what if” scenarios regarding the team.

    We don’t even know who is going to start, where they’re going to start, etc.

    I’m cool with playing 20 games before I start looking at who is producing, and who doesn’t fit.

  • shazam

    see you and the other semi fans 20 games in to the folks are always welcome