Steve Nash enjoyed another stellar year, but now may be the time to trade him

Steve Nash played another superb 2010-11 season, but is now the time to trade Two Time for future assets? (AP Photo/Tony Gutierrez)

Steve Nash played another superb 2010-11 season, but is now the time to trade Two Time for future assets? (AP Photo/Tony Gutierrez)

PHOENIX — For the past seven seasons Steve Nash has been the sun, moon and stars of the Phoenix Suns franchise, as Lon Babby so often likes to say about him, and this year was certainly no different.

Despite playing through a myriad of injuries that head coach Alvin Gentry said would have led most NBA players to sit out 12-15 more games than Nash did, Two Time put up the kind of numbers that are unprecedented for a 37-year-old point guard, especially before the All-Star break.

During the season’s first half Nash dominated to the tune of 16.8 points and 11.3 assists per game on 52.3-40.8-91.7 shooting.  He also led the league in impact rating and adjusted plus/minus as of March 7.

The second half was a different story as a banged-up Nash gutted through that portion of the schedule by scoring 10.0 points and dishing 11.6 assists per game. His shooting numbers dropped to 40.6-35.8-88.6 while he attempted 2.3 fewer shots per game.

Nash played anyway because he knew that was the only way the Suns would have a chance at reaching the playoffs with teammates like Channing Frye and Marcin Gortat relying on him so much. Frye and Gortat were assisted on 82.4 and 78.6 percent of their buckets, respectively, whereas Nash was assisted on a league-low 14.0 percent of his baskets since he’s always the guy creating the offense.

“I haven’t been healthy since the All-Star break,” Nash said. “I probably needed a few games off here and there before I got to the point where I had to take games off, and we just couldn’t afford it this year.

“I think last year the bench played great so I didn’t play as much and didn’t have any problems playing all the way until the end of May. I feel like I’ll be in better shape next year more prepared, and hopefully we’ll have a second unit that kicks butt like we did last year.”

Even with his second-half struggles Nash ranked second behind only Chris Paul in adjusted plus/minus, with the Suns 14.41 points better per 100 possessions. The last two years only LeBron James and Kevin Durant best Nash in this department, and I hear they aren’t bad.

The Suns’ plus/minus numbers as a team make the greatest statement about Nash’s value. Their only other players in the positives of plus/minus are — believe it or not – Hedo Turkoglu (1.09) and Vince Carter (0.58), and Jared Dudley and Frye follow barely in the negatives.

The Suns scored 113.9 points per 100 with Nash on the floor, whereas without him they scored a woeful 101.6. Basically Phoenix’s offense was still very lethal with Nash at the controls but it was anemic when he was out.

The Wins Produced stat tells a similar tale as Nash produced 14.1 of the 38.9 wins credited to Phoenix’s players, a number within a slight margin of error of the 40 games they did win. By this measure Nash accounted for 36 percent of Phoenix’s victories, and only Gortat (8.1) and Dudley (7.6) are even above four.

“He’s the face of the franchise, face of Phoenix,” Dudley said. “We need him, he runs the show for us. Steve, without him, this team is in the lottery, top-five pick, so I’m glad he’s here.”

Babby even said that anybody who begins an analysis of the Phoenix Suns stating Nash is the problem rather than the solution is looking at things backwards, and from a basketball standpoint he’s 100 percent correct.

Despite playing the final two months hobbled Nash was still the Suns’ best player by far and without him I shudder to think where they would be.

The only problem is his birth certificate.

I genuinely believe Nash will play at a high level next season and potentially the two years after that. The issue is I’m not so sure the Suns can build a contender in that time.

I like that the Suns kept Nash this one season post-Amare to see what a new mix could do, but barring an unforeseen move it seems this group’s ceiling is a low playoff seed and a first-round upset.

At some point the Suns will need to rebuild, and at this time their most valuable asset by far that can help expedite the rebuilding process is Steve Nash.

In recent days, Nash once again reiterated his desire to remain a Sun.

At the conclusion of the season Wednesday night, he said, “This is my team. I feel like this is my home as a basketball player, and I want to try to get back to the playoffs with this team, try to build this team into a contender again, so it’s pretty simple. And there’s no guarantees. You can’t just go out and say, ‘Hey, can you trade me to this team?’ So it’s very abstract to think of what the alternative is, but that’s beside the point. I want to be a part of this team, and I want to try to take us back to the playoffs with these guys and hopefully be better next year.”

The Phoenix training staff — whose techniques involving corrective exercises and ensuring a weakness in one area of the body does not compromise another part of the body — is the ideal training staff for Nash, and following his divorce I’m sure he wants to stay close to his children. On top of that Nash is loyal to a fault and legitimately cares about this franchise.

Gentry and Babby both made it seem like the possibility of a Nash trade is unfathomable.

Before his season-ending press conference even began on Thursday, Gentry started by saying, “Steve’s coming back. He wants to be back and we want him back. So before you guys go ahead and start asking that question we’ll go ahead and let you B-roll that.”

Said Babby, “There’s no change in our position about Steve Nash. We see how we play with him and how we play without him, and so as I stand here today I just can’t imagine a scenario where he won’t be back. We want him back, we recognize his value here.”

With that being the case, it could make sense to extend Nash beyond the one year he has left at $11.7 million for next year, and both sides said they would be open to that. If this franchise does decide wholeheartedly it is sticking with Nash I would be in favor of an extension because the worst possible scenario is spending another year with Nash on the treadmill of mediocrity next season only to see him leave for nothing thereafter.

I understand that Nash is the kind of guy who would never suggest he wants to leave, especially with the previous season so fresh, and management loves him too much to intimate this early in the process that trading Steve Nash could be the best move for the franchise’s long-term health.

It would be tough for every Suns fan to swallow, and there’s no question this team would be much more competitive and fun to watch with Nash.

But for the long-term health of the franchise the Suns must see what they can get for Nash.

I understand the risks involved with trading for a 37-year-old point guard with a creaky back putting up numbers unprecedented for his age. I understand that not many elite teams need a point guard and that the teams interested in Nash don’t have the kind of package (high-upside young player and a lottery pick) that I would want for him (although that could be solved in a three-team deal).

But I also know there are plenty of teams that could use a player who just led the league in assists for the fifth time in seven years, a guy who is almost averaging a 50-40-90 for his career and a guy who is one of the most unselfish leaders of his generation.

Steve Nash has defined Phoenix Suns basketball with his frenetic style from the minute he took his shaggy locks to the Valley, and his seven-year run of elite offensive basketball rivals any player’s contribution in franchise history.

It would devastate everyone from Sarver to Gentry to the players to the fans, but at this point Nash’s biggest assist to the franchise could come from what it could get back in a trade for him.

Gortat’s plea

Marcin Gortat will wholeheartedly disagree with that conclusion. He has repeatedly spoken about how much playing with Nash has opened up his game, and on Wednesday he joked that he would do just about anything to ensure Nash comes back.

“I’ll say it, everything starts from Steve,” Gortat said. “I really hopes he’s going to stay. I don’t know how his situation is, but I’m ready to give up my check for Steve, honestly. He can have my pants, he can have my BMW for driving around, he can use my apartment, I can bring him donuts every day for practice even though he’s not eating [donuts], I can bring a salad to the plane, I mean he can do whatever he wants to do, I’ll take care of him.”

Tags: Steve Nash

  • shazam

    “Nash’s biggest assist to the franchise could come from what it could get back in a trade for him.”….wow…love that wording…nailed it michael.

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  • ROG

    You know, you’ve been singing this same song for months. Give us a break. Steve should stay, and can we trade YOU?

  • Geoff

    How can you go about saying that the Suns should trade Steve Nash. Like Sarver said, he has been, and is the face of the franchise. Would you trade Kobe? He’s getting kind of old. How about Peyton Manning? These players mean so much to the franchise and to the fans, there is no way that Phoenix would do as well without Nashty. He is the lifeblood, and the stats prove it. The team would be in the gutter without him leading the way, Aaron Brooks is not the answer. Let him play out his last year on his contract, and let him ride off into the Suns-et.

  • Steve

    I don’t get why some people think it’s noble to let him finish things out as a Sun. The Suns don’t owe it to Steve Nash to let him do what he wants. We give him $10M+ every year to pay off our debt to him. I love Steve Nash as much as the next guy. He’s one of my top 5 favorite Suns of all time (with the likes of Connie Hawkins, Kevin Johnson, Charles Barkley, and Alvan Adams. He has been great to this franchise, and this franchise has been great to him. But at this point, it’s clear that the franchise has no future with him. In a Nash-based system, we’re at least two pieces away from being a quality team. With the players we have available to trade, we aren’t going to get those pieces. So, we have two options.

    1. Hold onto Nash for one more bad year, get nothing for him next season, move on with a dim future.

    2. Put Nash on the block, see what we can get for him, and move him if the price is right to get pieces to build for the future.

    I don’t think either decision is perfect. There are pros and cons to each. But to say we shouldn’t at least explore the option of trading Nash is a little short-sighted, in my opinion.

  • Giancarlo Paraliticci

    Michael I have a question

    the teams that have good assets like lottery picks and young talent are almost all bad lottery teams. My question is, due to the great respect the franchise has for Nash, and the comments made by Nash agent that he expect a respectful process, How much would the Suns value what Nash opinion on a Destination in a trade affect the trade scenario. example if a team with great assets like Minnesota gives a good package for Nash, would Phoenix send him there if it is the ideal Package to turn the franchise arround in the post-nash era or would Phx decline. How much of a Voice would Nash have in a Trade. I know he mean all for the franchise, but as steve said once, “there is no loyalty in sports”, also he states a lot that if he demand a trade he would not be able to say Trade me to this team.
    Thank you Michael and thanks for the great work you do every day with the Valley!


  • Giancarlo Paraliticci

    also, Grant Hill is one of Nash best friend, he wants to return, but how much of a Nash Trade affect Hill and will he demand to go with nash in a possible trade or would the suns package him with nash to get more value since both have almost the same age and are still very competitive?

  • Michael Schwartz

    Nash does keep talking about how he can’t just pick a team and be traded there, but I don’t think there’s any question that his opinion will be highly valued in the process. There’s no way they would send him to a wasteland like Minnesota despite all of their assets and the fact they have been rumored to have an interest in him. Rich brought this up in a previous trade, but the most likely scenario would be a three-way (or maybe four-way?) deal in which the Suns get assets from the third team.

    For all Nash has and does mean to this franchise I think the process would be incredibly respectful and delicately down largely behind closed doors without the kind of constant rumor leaking we saw in the Carmelo situation.

    Hill is actually a free agent this summer, and if Nash is dealt that would signal a rebuilding process that it would be hard to believe Hill would be a part of despite the fact he wants to return and the team wants him to be here. I see the Suns going one of two ways this summer: Either keeping the core of this year’s roster together (Nash-Dudley-Hill-Frye-Gortat) and making another run at the playoffs or blowing it up and going with all youth.

  • Tony


    I know I said this before in your last article, but to repeat, the value the Suns can get for Nash is not even close to the value he provides to the team and the franchise in general. Assuming the Suns front office has some respect for Nash and doesn’t look to trade him to the bottom-dwellers like the Timberwolves, the teams that have shown great interest in Nash are already very good teams. Teams like the Mavs, Blazers, Magic, and Hawks do not have great draft picks to give up to get Nash and they are not going to trade away young star players for Nash because of his age.

    It’s really a difficult situation on what to do with Nash, but in my opinion, if the Suns can add a legitimate starting 2 guard who can create his own shot and a better backup pf than Warrick, they are a playoff team once more.

  • Michael Schwartz

    @Tony Yeah, it really is a difficult situation, and with this system/roster so perfectly suited to him I understand his value won’t be recaptured in a trade. I’m not saying trade him to the highest bidder, I’m just saying they need to see what’s out there. Like Rich has been saying, Nash still has a lot of value to a team in win-now mode. The Nets got a real nice young prospect (Devin Harris, an eventual All-Star) and picks for an aging PG in Kidd a few years ago who wasn’t even as good as Nash is now.

    Of course, the other direction would involve doing what you say and getting a go-to shooting guard and a solid PF, but then what do you have? A 6-8 seed in the West? If everything goes perfectly, that is.

    So long as the team isn’t bluffing, it looks like they will go the route you suggest, and I would understand that because emotionally a Nash trade would be really tough for everyone who’s even a fan of the organization to deal with. But until you start asking around none of us can really speculate who they might be able to bring back. If the pickings end up being as slim as you think then I would agree with what you’re saying and say bring him back.

  • TRX

    The Suns can either:

    a) trade Nash for less than what he’s worth to the franchise to jumpstart the rebuilding process that will have to happen very soon either way.

    As much as he is worth to the Suns now, everybody and their mother should realize he’s 37 and has, realistically, two to three more good years in him. Yes, you won’t get fair value for him, but he’ll likely depreciate faster than any asset you get back; he might be worth more than what you get back now, but in two years, that should change.

    b) hang onto the face of the franchise and reasonably expect that he can give the Suns two to three more fantastic years before heading into decline/retirement.

    It’s hard to imagine the future of the franchise with Nash gone; why start that process earlier than you have to if Nash and spare parts can win almost 40 games a season? Two years is not a terribly long time, but at least the Suns would give themselves a chance to build a contender on the fly and the best chance to win a title in the next five years.

    As unlikely as it is that said contender can be built in two years, you have virtually NO chance without Nash.


    Ultimately, with the future of the NBA and its structure unclear, it’s hard to know exactly how to rebuild this team and what to target in a trade. Personally, I think the best idea would be to hold off seriously exploring trading Nash for another year and seriously revisit the issue next summer.

    However, I feel it’s subobtimal for the franchise to not look into it at all, not even just to get a feel of his value this year and next year. The Suns would have to do their best to reassure Nash he will be here next season, but as his career comes to a close they’re just trying to do what’s right for the franchise and not just for Nash.

  • Steve

    @Tony- I’m curious, how do you know what value we can get back for Nash? Are you secretly Lon Babby, and you have already shopped Nash and found there was no significant interest in him? Or are you just guessing that we won’t get a good value in a Nash deal?

    @TRX- Same question. Plus, we don’t have the option of “trading” Nash next off-season unless we sign him to some sort of extension or restructured contract that will add more years to his current deal. As of next summer, he isn’t a Sun. Our window to trade him is from now until the lockout, and that might be the only chance we have (if the lockout lasts past the trade deadline and the CBA doesn’t restructure the season schedule to give an altered deadline for the shortened season). Correct me if I’m wrong, but if there is no basketball season next year, Nash’s contract doesn’t “carry over” into the next season.

    I really think you guys are wrong in thinking that there isn’t going to be any interest in a top-5 NBA PG. Besides a team with Derrick Rose, Rajon Rondo, Chris Paul, or Deron Williams, who wouldn’t view Nash as an upgrade? Maybe the Thunder with Westbrook (who plays more like a 2 than a 1)? A two-time MVP with an extensive playoff pedigree with a passion for the game that is unsurpassed… No, I don’t want him.

    Here’s how you have to look at this. If the Suns want to keep him, someone else will want to have him. If the Suns want to get rid of him, people shouldn’t want him. We would have a much easier time moving Steve Nash than we would moving Robin Lopez. Everyone knows Steve Nash is awesome, puts butts in seats, and will automatically boost your team’s offensive efficiency and chances of winning. Everyone knows Robin Lopez is a tin man with no heart who fouls once every two minutes.

    Either way, until we put him on the block and actually see some offers, we won’t know what we can or cannot get for him. We have to put him on the table, and I think we will. Whether or not we pull the trigger on a deal, that’s much more difficult to say.

  • MKM

    I truly believe the following roster is good enough to compete with any team next season:

    1st Unit: Nash, Hill, Dudley, Gortat, Frye
    2nd Unit: Brooks, Childress, Pietrus, Lopez, Warrick

    I hope Suns’ management will give this group a chance to prove it, they just need more time to establish well-defined roles and build up chemistry.

    If Nash is traded, we are giving up pretty much everything to become another Minnesota or Cleveland, including the followings:

    1. The second-best PG in the league (#1 in assist)
    2. A top defender as Hill will probably go where Nash goes
    3. Most of the Suns will likely become less productive (esp. Gortat & Frye)
    4. Loss the face of the franchise & team identity
    5. Loss countless fans worldwide

    Perhaps I am a Nash fan instead of a Suns fan … but I do hope that Nash will retire as a Sun (like KJ rather than Barkley or Kidd).

  • Michael Schwartz

    @Steve Interesting question on what happens if there’s no season whatsoever. I’m definitely praying that won’t happen because I have no idea how I would keep a basketball blog running for 18 months with no basketball, but I would assume it would be as if the season happened contract-wise and thus Nash then would be a free agent. Let’s just all pray the lockout doesn’t do anything more than wipe out a couple months of season nonetheless.

  • JD

    True contending teams don’t rebuild per se. They either have enough assets to trade their way into contention (Celtics or Lakers), or luck out and win the lottery when a special player is available. The Suns have neither option.

    Trading Nash will not bring the Suns a Kevin Garnett or Pau Gasol because a) there is no one like that out there who is available to the Suns and b) the Suns need more than that just one missing piece without Nash.

    Trading Nash will not bring the Suns a very special player in the draft because there is no one in this year’s draft who is the next Derrick Rose, Blake Griffin, or LeBron James and projecting beyond this year involves too many variables.

    If the Suns trade Nash, they will more likely emulate other teams that “rebuild” in the classic sense, and simply top out as a mid-level playoff team after several seasons, such as the Hawks or Blazers.

    If Nash truly will play another three years, the best option is to keep him. He is a special player, even in his late years. The Suns would then need fewer pieces to reach the same level they would reach by trading him. As a matter of fact, I’d say if the Suns can find a lights-out scorer, they will suddenly be a 50-win, fourth-seed type team immediately.

    The only three-year plan that would offer a better outcome than keeping Nash is to be so bad that they draft in the top-5 each year and build through the draft year by year. But do Suns fans really want a 20-win team for the next three seasons plus?

  • Momochi Sandayu

    If our team doesn’t change at all, then I can see the 6 or 8th seed next season as an appropriate ceiling on what we would achieve. We do have at least roughly 14-18 mil of wiggle room thanks to Carter’s contract (Not accurate due to ongoing CBA negotiations, I know). Following that we may be able to make a few moves with a few of the other guys on the bench.

    I think what we should be asking ourselves first, and foremost is who is going to be available in Free Agency, and then determining who might be available with a trade before we give up hope on Steve’s window here in Phoenix.

    Maybe some suggestions on who we would have an opportunity to go after in FA, or good targets for a trade? I’ve always liked Kirelinko, and felt he would be a good fit for our system. I believe he’s a FA next season, and would probably be available for much less than his current 18mil a year contract.

    Any other suggestions?

  • Tony


    I’m going based on the teams that showed heavy interest for him prior to the trade deadline earlier. Those teams, such as the Hawks, Mavs, Knicks, Blazers, and Magic, were the most heavily interested in getting Nash. However, to really rebuild properly, a team needs solid draft picks and none of those teams can give up very good draft picks because their records are too strong. I know the Timberwolves expressed interest as well in Nash, but that would be pretty miserable for the Suns FO to trade Nash there.

    I am not disagreeing with you in that Nash is still a top 5 pg in the league. However, for the NBA, he’s old and unfortunately, he’s more and more likely to break down sooner as he gets older. Thus, teams are most likely not going to give away top prospects and young stars for him. Sure the Suns might get solid role players and late 1st round draft picks, but that’s not going to elevate this franchise at all.

  • shawn

    Hey Mike can you promise an article the minute Carter gets bought out lol but I’m serious

  • Rich Anthony, (KJL)

    It’s like a lot of you guys don’t read what our bloggers have to say. I don’t mind when my stuff gets ignored because I’m not a blue name but seriously. We’ve been saying the same things.

    To everybody saying that we can’t get back proper value for Nash in terms of draft picks and youth because the contending teams that want Nash don’t have these things:
    - – Those teams know and understand that, STRAIGHT UP, they will not have enough to get Nash.
    What those teams will do, (what they always do), is shop other players on their team that would be affected by a Nash acquisition to other teams who would see those players on the way out as substantial upgrades to their franchise.

    Example – Lets say that Orlando gets blown up in these playoffs.
    Orlando brass are already nervous about Howard leaving when his contract is up. Lets say they want Nash. Now straight up, they have nothing the Suns would want.

    Nelson, Anderson, and Richardson become expendable. Richardson more uh… probably crushes a Nash deal for obvious reasons so, he’s got to go too.

    Those departing players mean nothing because, in Orlando, with Howard and now Nash, role players would gladly go there, (for less money if they have to), because life would be made easy for them twice over and they’re going to challenge heavily for a title.

    So now what you have is a dynamic scorer, a serviceable point guard and a stretch player with range available for trades.

    Those assets are attractive to teams on the way up that might be content with what they’ve acquired in the last 2 or 3 drafts. Other teams may feel like they lack a dynamic scorer and would rather surrender a pick and a young guy for a sure thing.

    There are other teams out there with point guards far worse than JameerCat in a year where there aren’t too many sure-fire point guards in the draft.

    This is what always happens when you add a two-time MVP to your roster who actually makes you a whole lot better. It’s never just about Team A and Team B.

    Some will bring up the Knicks / Nuggets, but the Knicks had tons of youth and an owner who didn’t want to wait for the free agent period and forced a GM to make that deal even though he didn’t want to lose all of that youth.

    And before that robbery of a deal, the Knicks were involved with other teams trying to get a 3-way done, (IE Detroit etc).

    Also, Phoenix has a couple of extra quality small forwards to enhance any deal as well as a possible Grant Hill sign-and-attach.

    There are more than enough players to get us exceptional value in a 3, 4, or even a 5-team deal that centers around Nash.

    It’s never just about one superstar player and potential trade partners, and that’s why we should at least float Nash out there to see what activity it brings back.

    Hell, with Billups falling apart every three games, even New York is a viable destination if they don’t want to wait for the slight chance Chris Paul actually does end up there.

    I think Nash has Minny-to-BOS-KG-like value. I think he can net a haul as long as ‘Sabby’ and crew are patient and let teams work with others in regards to all the extra players and picks that would be involved.

  • JD

    @Rich, some of us do read your bloggers, but even then I still do not see how the Suns “improve” themselves by trading Nash. Out of the top four seeded teams in each conference, the only realistic trading partner is Orlando. However, there isn’t anyone left on Orlando, other than Howard, who will command much in the market.

    Packaging Nelson with all the spare parts from an underachieving Magic team along with the spare parts from an underachieving Suns team will not net a young upcoming star and/or several lottery draft picks. Gortat, Frye, and Dudley have value, but the Suns do not want to give them up to broker a trade.

    The Suns and Magic have already depleted themselves through trades over the past seasons. The few remaining trade assets are vital to the “rebuilding” and the rest are either overpaid or have already been cast off by other teams.

    Even if New York decides to make a play, they don’t have enough assets to broker a multi-team trade because they already depleted themselves to get Carmelo.

    Ironically, you cite the Celtics-TWolves-KG trade. Minny squandered their entire take from that deal and eventually ended up with Jonny Flynn and Wayne Ellington. This was not a good trade for Minny, and they are now the worst team in the league.

  • TRX

    @ Steve: Yes, Nash is one of the elite PGs in the NBA today, but there are three main reasons I point to that the Suns cannot hope to get fair (present) value for him.

    1. If the Suns trade Nash, they’re looking to the future. It would make absolutely no sense to trade him if they were trying to compete now. That being said, any team trading for Nash now would have to be leaning all the way to a win-now strategy. The Suns would very likely be willing to forfeit present value for potential future value and any contending team would like to keep as many present value assets as possible. You just won’t get the same present value back.

    2. Its a general consensus that his worth to the Suns is higher than his worth to any other team, simply because the entire team is built around him on offence. No other team is likely to be willing to shake up their entire foundation to build their team around Nash 100%. Therefore, it’s just impossible for Nash to have the same kind of impact on another team and thus, he would have less value to any other team.

    3. It’s impossible to know exactly what will be in the new CBA, assuming there are no missed games at all. Or if there will even be a new CBA before a lockout. With the uncertainty surrounding the nuances of the salary structure and uncertainty of who will and won’t be in the draft pool, it’s hard to know exactly how much you can salary you can allot to a player and how much draft picks will even be worth. If it’s widely believed that the salary cap will be lower and exceptions like the MLE will be reduced in the new CBA, a player that might be worth $10 million in this CBA would only be worth $7.5 million in the next. Every player, at their current contract, would be worth less in the next and GMs are going to take that into account.

    With the uncertainty surrounding whether there will even be missed time or now, players with all of their value in the next few years, I believe, will drop significantly. Nobody wants to trade for a Nash – only to head into a lockout and end up with a 38 year old instead of a 37 year old.


    By all means though, I said I believe they should at least consider the possibility of trading him and probe other GMs about Nash’s trade value… which they’re not doing now.

  • VA Sunsfan

    Have we learned nothing from what the Barkley trade did to Philly so many years ago? In this league, you never trade superstars for role players. We would more than likely be putting ourselves in the same boat as they did when they traded their star and crossed their fingers and hoped the same way that Sarver did when he signed Warrick and Childress to replace Amare. We had two studs and trading Nash would take us down to 0 and a prayer. I can understand shopping him but we should pull the trigger ONLY if we get guarenteed value at the near superstar level in return which will be next to impossible to pull off at Nash’s age. Of all of the Sarver sins, the worst is not using the draft to replenish AS you make trades like the one for Richardson, Shaw, etc. Those were big, bold moves that were worth trying but only if you draft young talent as you go. That is how you reload without rebuilding. Imagine the Suns with Gortat (they drafted and never should have traded him) along with Luol Deng and Rondo. They should have kept them as their core for the future. As it stands now, all of their eggs are in the basket of a weak draft. That is where they went wrong.

  • VA Sunsfan

    Should read “Shaq” and not “Shaw.”

  • TRX

    Oh, also:

    @ Steve: I realize Nash’s contract expires at the end of the year. I had just assumed it was a foregone conclusion Nash wanted to retire a Sun. Big assumption, maybe not… but there it is.

    If he doesn’t want to come back, then for sure, the balance has shifted much heavier to try to trade him now for what you can get. It’d already be a lot to ask Suns management to build this team back up to a legitimate contender in two years, let alone one year.

  • HankS

    By now I must have read about a hundred articles and fan posts about trading and not trading Steve Nash, and none of them suggested anything close to a viable trade scenario. Nash is so valuable to the Suns that they can’t possibly get anything approaching fair value for him, let alone at his age. No Atlanta is giving us a Josh Smith for Nash, no matter how the Suns might sweeten the deal. Unless and until persuaded otherwise, I maintain Nash can’t be traded, only dumped.

  • Steve

    @VA Sunsfan: In the long run, the Barkley trade netted Philadelphia the same exact thing it netted the Suns. A Finals loss (via Iverson). Btw, it’s not like Philly was great when they had Barkley. They were 37-45 in Barkley’s last year there. So many people throw around these trades that supposedly ended poorly for the team that gave away the superstar… not true. Sure, you could come up with cases where it worked out that way, but I could come up with others that worked out the opposite way. Rashard Lewis killed the Magic. Ray Allen did jack squat for the Sonics. The Grizzlies are the best they have ever been in franchise history because they gave up their best player in franchise history. The Nuggets are better right now than they ever were with Melo (too bad they had to face OKC, whom they match up with terribly). And, mark my words, NY is never going to do a thing unless they get someone in there who can generate shots for Melo and Amare, and even then, they’re probably still not going to do anything. Neither of those guys has any commitment or love for the game. They want numbers, not championships, and on a lot of nights, they don’t even show up to get the numbers. NY is going to lose out on the Melo trade. The Nets are going to get screwed (well, they were already in a bad spot, I guess) by the Deron Williams trade. The Lakers gave away Shaq for a sixth man, and they’re back to winning championships.

    And these are just trades that have happened within the past decade. It’s the same every decade. There are instances where acquiring a superstar works. There are instances where both teams fail. There are instances where the sum of the parts is greater than the whole, and four quarters turns out to be greater than a dollar.

    It would make me so happy if I never heard this idea passed along again because it’s just plain wrong.

    @Everyone else: I get what you’re saying. I guess we’ll just have to wait and see once things actually get moving on the trade front.

  • Giancarlo Paraliticci

    Michael :

    I got some suggestions and ideas that would like to get your feedback, if you can answer I would appreciated it! Thanks!!

    We have to think that a tier 2 team might be interest in Nash depending on what happens in the playoffs, Example,

    Maybe they are tier 1 but I put them more into tier 2 because they are not in the level of lakers miami boston , they are more like atlanta at that level…But the Point is if Orlando lost in the first round they would go crazy this summer, they would have to make another big change to keep Howard happy or lost him for nothing, even tough there is a rumor that they might shop him in the summer, but if they lost in the first or second round they would want to change things up and Nash With Howard and J-rich would be scary…they might give a young talent like JJ Redick and maybe Nelson or Arenas Bad contract with a pick…and that might be better deal that what is out there, plus I think Orlando might be better with Nash and hill there and maybe put Vince expiring contract to sweet the deal…but that scenario might be better for both franchise!…Good Role players and a pick plus you but Nash happy in a position to win now with Howard on his last Season!

    They did get a lot of pieces with the Carmelo Trade and are playing awsome but do not have a true superstar, maybe they migth gamble on Nash to be the missing piece …ty lawson Jr and some picks or something like that

    Utah got verry good picks and young talent, they will need a good coach but they defenetly have pieces and are they are not a wasteland like minesota!!…Nash with raja bell again plus Millsap and Al Jefferson they might give the suns devin harris or the Net’s pick (wich I doubt) but If they think Nash is the missing pieace like Stockton was maybe put Nash Grant Hill vince Expiring contract and maybe put pietrus or something to make theme bit the offer and get Nets Lottery pick (top 5) and devin harris and another roll player or someone like Okur wich is forgotten in Utah!!

    I personally Think Atlanta is a Nash trade away of being a Contender, they did get better in Kirk Hinrich because it is what they needed but Nash, Joe Johson, J-Smoth and Hordford it is a verry good front court with the beast play maker that will make all of those player take the next step!

    If the Suns are giving Nash a Real say in the Destination then this are two Real posibilities to consider

    Nash loves Dirk, if Dirk goes out of the first or second round, Mark Cuban is making something bid then in the summer, Reunite Dirk and Nash, maybe Kidd will not comeback, he said, if not backcourt of Nash and kidd is nothing bad especially since kidd cand play like a Shotting Guard!


    Finnally the last Place wich it has to be a option, somehow …NEW YORK KNICKS…Mike D’Antonni, Amare’ Nash reunited in New York that is what everybody wants pluss add Carmelo And that is one Big 4 not a Big 3 and the Chemistry with Nash Amare it has to be a Dream!…I doubt new York has assets but if the Suns are really giving Nash a choice in Destination then it has to be consider a Option!

    Thank you all Suns Fans, let me know what you guys thinks And thanks again Michael!

  • Steve

    Sorry, 35-47 with Barkley, actually.

  • Rich Anthony, (KJL)

    @JD, you’re still not understanding.

    You don’t package the players on those teams I gave as an example in a trade between those two teams.

    It’s a destination trade involving all teams attached determined by what those teams need and are willing to get of to get it.

    You guys have to stop looking at it like this:


    END RESULT – Excluding the NY / Denver trade, (which was stupid and rightfully resisted by NY's GM before he had a gun put to his head), major trades are almost never as simple as team A and team B.

    ***Adding teams into this scenario as an example***

    PHX / ORL / GSW / MIL

    Phoenix wants assets.

    Orlando wants Nash.

    Warriors want to build around Curry; need to move Ellis, while also getting somebody in the short term who can run the floor to allow Curry to go straight offensive.

    Bucks need that definite scorer to go with Bogut, (because Maggette is just bad).

    So now what happens is PHX agrees to send Nash, (and probably a +1 of some sort), to Orlando if Orlando can help with the other needs of those other teams.

    Say J Rich to MIL for picks which would then be redirected to PHX.

    Say Nelson + Anderson + the +1 from PHX (J Chil or Pietrus going full circle) along with a pick in say, 2013 to GSW in exchange for sending Ellis away to the Valley along with a pick in say, 2012.

    So now, for PHX, a few things have been done.

    Nash is gone. Grant Hill signs somewhere else. J Chil or Pietrus is gone.

    Suns gain a devastating scorer in a system where Gentry gives him the green light to light teams up.

    They now have two first round picks this year and two first round picks next year.

    They have a bit of financial wiggle room to go out and sign another stud at the 3 or put a nice package together for one, (Iggy?), and can draft accordingly.

    If they don't find a guard this year, give it to Dowdell and convince Brooks to sign for cheap and now they look like a luxury destination for CP3 or D Willy if they aren't locked in somewhere.

    So in this hypothetical, next year's lineup looks like:

    Brooks / ZD – Ellis – Iggy – Frye – Gortat with JMZ, likely Pietrus, Hak, and the rookies coming off the bench, (without getting into following trades post-nash).

    Obviously some of the names would be different, but that's how these trades involving superstars work.

    The team in the driver's seat demands certain things [PHX].

    The team craving the marquee name in this draft goes around the league looking for teams with the pieces PHX require to make it work [ORL].

    Other teams who have needs of their own and may not want to chance a 'weak draft' will listen and join in as long as they can get something they want [MIL & GSW].

    That's how these mega trades work. Phoenix won't deal Nash if they can't get EXACTLY what they want, so any team who wants him will have to run around the league gathering up the supplies that the Valley demands.

  • VA Sunsfan

    @ Steve

    Are you trying to tell me that the Philly deal for Hornacek, Lang and Tim Perry got them to the finals??? Allen Iverson got them there on his back. It had nothing to do with the Barkley deal; it was in spite of that move. Again, I can understand shopping Nash but pulling the triggerONLay

  • VA Sunsfan

    Damn droid keyboard.

    ONLY if we get a potential superstar back. Letting elite players (who happen to be extreme fan favorites) go in exchange for marginal guys that you cross you fingers and pray will ascend to star status simply does not work. Watch and see what will happen if we do this with Nash. We’ll be battling it out in the cellar with the Clippers and Kings for years to come. The main strategy change that has to happen is stopping the selling off of draft picks as I mentioned above. If we had kept Gortat to begin with, and added young pieces like Deng and Rondo to go with vets like Hill, Nash, etc and thrown in the solid mid tier guys like Dudley and Frye, you keep the ship sailing and don’t run the risk of ending up with nothing. I do not agree with Schwartz in that we should trade Nash for “best value.” You make a deal only if its solid. Nash is too important of a franchise cornerstone to blow this if a deal is made.

  • Steve

    I gave you multiple examples of teams getting elite superstars and not having it work for them and teams giving up elite superstars and having it work for them. I didn’t just give you that one. Plus…

    35-47 with Barkley. I brought up that number to show you they weren’t going anywhere with Barkley. They knew that. So, they got rid of him, it ended up landing them Iverson, a few short years later, they’re tops in the East contending for a title again. They landed Iverson because they were willing to tank to get him.

    The idea that the team that gives up the superstar always loses is totally and utterly false.

    Think about another thing. Would Cleveland have been better served by dealing LeBron before he had a chance to make “The Decision,” or was it worth it for them to hold onto the best record in the league for one more year to go along with a tank-job and a first round exit? They got NOTHING in exchange for the most physically gifted athlete I have ever seen, and he happens to be a pretty dang good basketball player as well. If they had been willing to open their eyes, they would have known LeBron was gone anyways. I had been calling it since his olympic tryout when he gushed at the opportunity to play with his buds, plus all of his obsession with becoming a global icon and his weak answers when asked what he was going to do in FA. If he wasn’t willing to sign an extension, it was obvious he was gone.

    Now Cleveland will be in the gutter for the foreseeable future, thanks to their stubbornness and stupidity. LeBron didn’t do it to them as much as they did it to themselves.

    The Suns did the same thing by not dealing Amare. We got one more run to the WCF out of it, but in the long run, we’re screwed because we didn’t make something of him.

    I won’t argue whether or not we can get a fair value for Nash any more. But, again, it’s dead wrong to say giving up superstars never works. Dead wrong.

  • Michael Schwartz

    @Giancarlo The teams you bring up are many of the squads linked to Nash (I don’t really think Utah or Denver would make a run at him, though), but I’m with Rich on this one. It’s much more likely to be a multiple-team deal in the way Rich described, although with the cap the way it is and some of the contracts on the books I’m not sure they could get a Monta-Iggy duo and then still be in play for a 2012 guy.

    @VA Sunsfan I don’t think the Suns should trade him for best value, I just think they should go around the league and see what they can get. If it’s something that would really jump start the rebuilding process then you pull the trigger. If you get the kind of pu pu platter that was offered for Amare I’d rather Nash be kept then just “dumped.”

    @Steve I’ve thought about the Amare situation a lot, and in the end I think the Suns did the right thing. I guess I felt the same way then I feel about Nash now. If you could get an Iguodala, a guy who could be a potential future building block, you deal Amare. But don’t trade him for J.J. Hickson or Mario Chalmers and some spare parts. I think coming a couple bounces shy of the Finals justifies that decision although obviously long term it would have been nice to get more than a trade exception for him.

  • JD

    @Rich, I understand the concept of the multi-team trade. However, regardless of how many other teams are involved, the Suns and theoretical partner Magic do not have enough additional value to offer.

    No matter how they are packaged, players like Anderson, Bass, Pietrus, Brooks, etc will not generate the kind of value that will have the needed long-term impact for the Suns. They are trade fillers, not desired assets that others will trade lottery picks for.

    Blockbusters such as the KG, Gasol, and Carmelo trades involved max contracts. The teams that traded their stars got a lot in return because of it. Nash is only $11M, and for a Nash blockbuster, there needs to be other “assets” such as Gortat, Frye, or Dudley. But the Suns must keep their other valuable players to continue rebuilding.

    Two other valuable players, Hill and J-Rich, are free agents, and they could essentially refuse to go to a proposed team by not signing.

    The Suns are better off getting another three seasons from Nash, have him elevate his teammates, and teach his successor. Trading Nash leaves the Suns with much less and no continuity to prepare for moving forward after he retires.

  • JD

    Can any Suns fan really, in their hearts, give up the 2010 playoff run for some theoretical Amare trade? I believe 100% that keeping Amare last season was the right decision.

  • Steve

    Absolutely I can give up the run, and I’m just as big of a Suns fan as anyone here. I couldn’t care less about getting to the WCF. We’ve been there before. We’ve done that. Amare wasn’t going to win a championship. It was clear to me after our second playoff run with Amare that he was never going to win a championship in a Suns uniform (and probably ever). Suns fans tried to make excuses about our bad luck and how we got jipped and Donaghy was fixing it… the truth is we just weren’t good enough to win the championship. There are two sports where I feel the best team in the league nearly always wins the championship – the NBA and the NHL. The best team wins. If we were better than the Spurs, Mavs, or Lakers, then we would have beat them.

    I would trade last season in a heartbeat if we could have got something in return for Amare. WCF means nothing, in the end. Just a few more weeks of basketball for us to care about. That’s it. Keeping Amare last season might have been the right decision because the offers for him last year were so weak. It was two years ago that we should have dealt him. Either way, he should have been out of a Suns uniform before he had the opportunity to walk because we knew he was going to walk.

  • TRX

    I definitely would rather have seen what the Suns did last season than dump Amare for a JJ Hickson type player. If they could’ve gotten something of legitimate value, like a bonafide backup for Nash now and a replacement in the future… absolutely. But not a marginal talent like Hickson.

    Seriously though… imagine if the Suns had Gortat last year with the rest of the team that they did. They could’ve gone places and I would’ve been a big advocate of keeping Amare – even if the aforementioned “Nash heir” was available.

    What if this team had Rondo instead of grabbing him, then selling him off for $3m? Maybe you even trade Nash sooner to let him blossom. Before someone jumps on that, I don’t feel Rondo is the type of player/person that would’ve truly developed into who he is today without being thrown in the fire and being handed the keys. He can only be a backup for so long with his confidence, bordering on arrogance.

  • Artur Mascarenhas

    I’d rather bring Howard to Phoenix than ship Nash to Orlando.

  • VA Sunsfan

    Steve, we traded Marbury for essentially nothing and missed the playoffs for a year only to turn things around through free agency. It can be done. I can name you multiple deals in which trading a stud got you nothing in return but it wont prove anything. Dealing and not dealing can end up a bust; the situation can’t be oversimplified by each of us looking for examples that “prove” our respective ways are best. By letting one stud walk and possibly shipping off another, combined with not keeping our draft picks, were in a dilemma. At least at the moment.

  • Steve

    So, you’re agreeing that trading superstars away can work (or it can flop), and I’m agreeing we’re in a dilemma. All’s well.

  • VA Sunsfan

    Steve, are you serious? You would give up the run at the championship with Amare last year? Thank God you’re not in our front office. We were a few plays away from quite possibly beating the defending champion Lakers and you sincerely think we believe that all along, you sat back waiting on the run to end because we “weren’t good enough?” If we weren’t good enough last year, will we ever be. The team chemistry was incredible and all of the parts fit together beautifully. I was extremely upset when Sarver got cheap and let Kerr walk. I thought he did a phenomenal job last year. You win in this league by keeping a team strong.

    The Suns have made solid trades and have had a few good free agent signings because they are a good team that is always a contender. There are 0 guarantees in the draft, especially this one. We should have never let our past great draft picks go. The draft has to be utilized concurrently, NOT as your only hope of a return to prominance.

  • VA Sunsfan

    Steve, it can work. Its just unfortunate that were in this position. I’ve always questioned Amare’s heart and was beyond irritated that someone with his athleticism didn’t pull down at least ten boards a night and play solid defense. For those reasons, I had mixed emotions when he walked this year but he was someone that they wouldn’t dream of losing all of the years since we drafted him. He’s a beast. I just wish he had proven himself of #1 money when he had the chance years ago. The recipe for success in the NBA usually includes two studs. You build around those. Denver is an anomaly. They’re the best team I’ve ever seen without a true star. It was a strange combination of circumstances that put them where they are. Melo is a selfish player; I hated the trade for NY. Nash is different. He’s the kind of star that makes a whole ream better and his character is off the charts. I will hate to see the day he leaves Phoenix. It may be a list cause considering how the team has been butchered and mismanaged. Its hard to undo the damage of giving away solid young drafted players and making the post Amare moves that were guilty of

  • Steve

    First, we didn’t make a run at the championship. We got handled in game 6 on our home court by a better team. I hate the Lakers with everything in my being, but we weren’t winning that series. You can say we were a J-Rich box out away from forcing an overtime… but he didn’t box out because the Suns aren’t disciplined, and it took a miracle bank three to even get us into the position where we were tied; plus, who says we would have won in overtime? I’ll repeat, if we were better than the Lakers, we would have beat them. I love how you say that you’re glad I’m not in the front office, but our front office has never won a championship, even though we have been in the playoffs 75% of the time in the past 20 years. That’s not a great job by a front office (it’s a good job, but not great), and I’d like to think that getting rid of players who don’t play defense would be a good idea. So, if you’re glad I’m not in the front office, I think you’re the type of Suns fan who perpetuates mediocrity. If you like to see 120-115 wins all season just to see 112-98 losses in the playoffs, that’s fine for you. I’d rather play some defense and win championships. SSOL doesn’t win championships.

    Second, Kerr was going to walk unless he got a huge payday, and honestly, the man didn’t do anything to improve the Suns. He took a WCF team out of playoff contention, then got them back into the WCF picture. He came out even. He didn’t improve the Suns, and he wasn’t worth the paycheck he was going to demand. Now, Lon Babby was not a good hire, in my opinion. But signing Steve Kerr to a lucrative deal would have been wrong. If you want another reason, see Shaq and Terry Porter. Those were justifiable moves, in my opinion, but they were still wrong.

    Third, if we weren’t such suckers for FA, we would have been able to hold onto our draft picks that have turned into good/great NBA players. I like how everyone is claiming this to be a weak draft, but really we don’t know a thing until these guys step onto an NBA court. Darko Milicic was drafted second overall. Steve Nash was drafted 15th overall behind the likes of Abdur-Rahim, Marbury, Lorenzen Wright, Kerry Kittles, Samaki Walker, Erick Dampier, Todd Fuller, and Vitaly Potapenko. 13, 14, and 15 in that draft was Kobe, Peja, Nash. Are you going to tell me people thought the draft was SO DEEP you were going to have superstars going as late as 15? People only have a small clue as to how someone will adapt to the NBA when the draft occurs. If you can get a two-time MVP at 15, I would think twice before calling any draft class “weak” because that only goes to show we have no idea how perceived potential will translate to the NBA.

    We’re not really arguing or even disagreeing, so I hate to keep ranting about the same things, but it’s funny to me that you say you’re thankful I’m not in the Suns’ front office, then you go on to bash our management. You’re just going around in circles. We should build through the draft and FA concurrently… letting go of our draft picks was a mistake (to build through FA, you have to get rid of draft picks). You questioned Amare’s heart, but somehow you thought a questionable superstar might still result in a championship product for the team? He’s not worth #1 money and never proved it, but there was definitely enough interest in him that we could have pulled the trigger on multiple deals in the past year, yet you’re not mad at management for not moving him? That’s the one move you WON’T bash them for? You’re not really making any suggestions or real arguments, you’re just perpetuating this conversation for the sake of it.

    Oh, and one last thing. Yes, I was sitting back and waiting for the run to end. I certainly wasnt rooting for it, but I had the Lakers in 6. It’s always easy to win a wager in Arizona when playoffs roll around. So many blind fans will put their clams where their heart tells them rather than where common sense would demand. Strangely enough, I had the Suns in seven against Portland, the Suns SWEEPING the Spurs, the Lakers in 6 over the Suns, then Boston in 7 over the Lakers (not too shabby, if you ask me). Sure, I wanted the Suns to win, but when it came down to putting something that mattered on the series, it was an easy choice to go with Lakers. They were better.

  • Rich Anthony, (KJL)

    Just from reading the comments it’s clear that some of our readers don’t understand the complex nature of major trades involving stars in regards to “value” of the misc. “additions” [players] to deals.

    The value is, indeed, there. A perfect storm really with seemingly everybody dreading this year’s draft class, (I never judge a draft going into it).

    And yeah Michael, I know that we can’t land Monta and Iggy, (ha ha), but off the top of my head I knew those teams’ situations and figured it’d be the clearest and easiest way to explain the situation.

    Though when I think about it in my head… let me stop.

    A lot of you aren’t listening to Steve either.

    He is right about that WCF team. Honestly, that team was probably our ceiling, and that simply isn’t good enough when you’re trying to win championships.

    I mean sure, to see them dominate up until the Lakers series was great as a fan, and it was great to see them compete in the WCF, but when it was all said and done, where did that put the franchise?

    Everybody knew Amare was gone, (writing on the wall when you’re trying to trade the guy for 2 years straight), and everybody understood the ripple effect it would have.

    So now, what a lot of you are asking the Suns to do, is to put out that same model without Amare? Without J Rich? Without Dragon or Lou? Without the proper balance that team had?

    So what you’re wanting is a weaker version of that team with Nash / Hill still installed, (and 2 years older), but without the go-to guy or second star to help Nash shoulder the load in crunch time [STAT] in hopes that the team can some how be better than that WCF team?


    What you’re asking for is impossible and on top of that, there aren’t the proper players available going into this off season to make that Nash-driven system better than it was when Sun Tzu was murdering Tolliver and his whole family, (Golden State game & Dunk).

    So no, excuse some of us readers and bloggers who want to get away from that while the potential to get assets back while totally getting away from the players needed for that system is at it’s highest.

    A lot of you who assume there is no value in moving Nash and a couple of our other players are just holding onto something that isn’t there and isn’t coming back.

    You know what happened the last time we finally let go of a strategic culture, (bombs-away-small-ball-pre-SSOL)? We bottomed out.

    Drafted Matrix. Got JJ. Drafted Amare. We moved Starbury, were an attractive destination, and damn it guess who we were able to lure back to the valley?

    That’s what needs to happen again. Get over it.

    We all love Nash, we respect Hill’s gangsta, (he’s so not a gangsta). It’s time to move on though.

  • Auggie5000

    Nash is full of shit. Saying that “I can’t pick my destination in a trade.” Tons of players have done this, most recently Carmelo. Either way, if he wants to be a Sun, we are happy to have him stay.

  • Mike Meez

    I tend to agree with Schwartz and others saying that we should at least see what’s out there. If we can’t find anything good, I’m fine with keeping Nash. But if we could pull off a good trade to help rebuild, why not? If we could work some deal sending Nash with Dudley and/or Frye to Orlando with Orlando sending J-Rich, Nelson, etc. to Minny, and Minny giving us Love or picks and other pieces, that wouldn’t intrigue you? That’s just working with the couple teams you all have been talking about. Atlanta wouldn’t even consider giving us Josh Smith for Nash and Frye/Dudley? I just think it’s easy to say “no, we can’t get good enough value for him” when you actually have no idea what we could get for him. There are so many factors that aren’t even apparent that no one has mentioned- like the salary cap.

    Most importantly, we need to have a goal in mind. If our goal is to be a mid-seeded playoff team at best, we can do that by keeping Nash and building around him for the next couple seasons. But does anyone really think we can make a championship run with the current team? That sounds pretty far-fetched to me. And looking at the free agents over the next two seasons, I don’t see who we would get, especially at the 2, which would help us get back to being a contender. But someone tell me if they see someone:

    If we want to compete for a 5-8 seed in the playoffs, let’s keep Nash and shuffle pieces. For me, that’s not good enough. I’d rather at least go out and try to pull off a trade in the hopes of rebuilding into a contender then knowingly settle for a respectable team at best.

  • Tasty Goldfish

    I still think we get the best value for Nash from the Lakes. They are the playoff team that most desperately needs a PG, and they have parts to trade. Just not parts that the Suns need a lot, so it becomes a 3 team swap.

    Nash to LA – it’s a nice good-bye gift, cause he might get a ring. He extends Kobe’s window another 3 years.

    Lopez to LA with him.

    Bynum to someone who needs a center and will give up a stud SG for it = Houston.

    K Martin to Phx

    Shannon Brown to Phx.

    (The other option would be Monta Ellis, but that would probably require another team.)


    PG: Brown/Brooks
    SG: Martin
    SF: Dudley
    PF: Frye
    C: Gortat

    Not a bad team. It’s not a home run either, but it does get us younger. Hmm. I’m not sure about it. But it sure beats just watching Nash get old, and then getting nothing for him.

    Then maybe swap a spare wing and parts (JChill?) for a few years of Baron Davis. . .

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