<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		xmlns:itunes="http://www.itunes.com/dtds/podcast-1.0.dtd"
	xmlns:media="http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/"
	>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: Deals for Turkoglu, Childress put Suns back in the mix</title>
	<atom:link href="http://valleyofthesuns.com/2010/07/12/turkoglu-childress-suns-back-in-mix/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://valleyofthesuns.com/2010/07/12/turkoglu-childress-suns-back-in-mix/</link>
	<description>Phoenix Suns basketball blog. The hottest source in the Valley for Suns news, rumors and analysis with a fresh perspective from ESPN&#039;s TrueHoop affiliate.</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 14:40:54 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator>
	<item>
		<title>By: Phoenix Suns' present, future brighter after blockbuster trade</title>
		<link>http://valleyofthesuns.com/2010/07/12/turkoglu-childress-suns-back-in-mix/comment-page-1/#comment-66119</link>
		<dc:creator>Phoenix Suns' present, future brighter after blockbuster trade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Dec 2010 02:24:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://valleyofthesuns.com/?p=17900#comment-66119</guid>
		<description>[...] the Suns first acquired Hedo I tried to convince myself that he was a good fit but always questioned whether he could play the four. We soon found out that [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the Suns first acquired Hedo I tried to convince myself that he was a good fit but always questioned whether he could play the four. We soon found out that [...]</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: ghost of Darko</title>
		<link>http://valleyofthesuns.com/2010/07/12/turkoglu-childress-suns-back-in-mix/comment-page-1/#comment-47659</link>
		<dc:creator>ghost of Darko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 17:25:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://valleyofthesuns.com/?p=17900#comment-47659</guid>
		<description>@Steve: by your metrics Nash isn&#039;t a winner either. and if you&#039;re gonna bash Amare for postseason failures, you should also point out Nash&#039;s numerous deadly late-game turnovers. there are lots of situations where the best player on a team isn&#039;t the highest paid.

again, it comes back to Sarver. in this market, clearly someone was gonna give Amare max money - which in all likelihood meant he was gone. Sarver should&#039;ve had an aggressive plan in place to replace him (Bosh or more realistically Boozer). Sarver did neither, then, worse still, took a reactionary approach which will make things worse for much longer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Steve: by your metrics Nash isn&#8217;t a winner either. and if you&#8217;re gonna bash Amare for postseason failures, you should also point out Nash&#8217;s numerous deadly late-game turnovers. there are lots of situations where the best player on a team isn&#8217;t the highest paid.</p>
<p>again, it comes back to Sarver. in this market, clearly someone was gonna give Amare max money &#8211; which in all likelihood meant he was gone. Sarver should&#8217;ve had an aggressive plan in place to replace him (Bosh or more realistically Boozer). Sarver did neither, then, worse still, took a reactionary approach which will make things worse for much longer.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://valleyofthesuns.com/2010/07/12/turkoglu-childress-suns-back-in-mix/comment-page-1/#comment-47486</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jul 2010 20:50:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://valleyofthesuns.com/?p=17900#comment-47486</guid>
		<description>I would have appreciated Amare more if his paycheck and ego looked a little more like guys who produce at his rate.  Amare was a great Sun, and I hope that someday he gets into the Ring of Honor.  But he&#039;s not worth max money, especially not when the best player on the team is only making about $11M.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would have appreciated Amare more if his paycheck and ego looked a little more like guys who produce at his rate.  Amare was a great Sun, and I hope that someday he gets into the Ring of Honor.  But he&#8217;s not worth max money, especially not when the best player on the team is only making about $11M.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: KeZ</title>
		<link>http://valleyofthesuns.com/2010/07/12/turkoglu-childress-suns-back-in-mix/comment-page-1/#comment-47459</link>
		<dc:creator>KeZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jul 2010 10:06:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://valleyofthesuns.com/?p=17900#comment-47459</guid>
		<description>I think its time for *some* off you guys to stop all this Amar&#180;e hatin! Ive been a Phx fan since 93 and lets be honest, Amar&#180;e was a beast for us! Power forwards/Centers like him doesnt come along very often! In his 7 seasons with Phx he did som incredible things. He simply was a joy to the eye! Sure we can debate for hours if he&#180;s whort max money! He&#180;s offensive game was just crazy and yes i admit he wasnt &quot;Dwight Howardish&quot; on the boards! Is he worth max money for his offensive game = YES, for his defensive game = Well he didnt do that bad. Could been worse! Bottom line is that we will miss Stat and yes he still is the best PF in the leauge....hands down! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think its time for *some* off you guys to stop all this Amar&acute;e hatin! Ive been a Phx fan since 93 and lets be honest, Amar&acute;e was a beast for us! Power forwards/Centers like him doesnt come along very often! In his 7 seasons with Phx he did som incredible things. He simply was a joy to the eye! Sure we can debate for hours if he&acute;s whort max money! He&acute;s offensive game was just crazy and yes i admit he wasnt &quot;Dwight Howardish&quot; on the boards! Is he worth max money for his offensive game = YES, for his defensive game = Well he didnt do that bad. Could been worse! Bottom line is that we will miss Stat and yes he still is the best PF in the leauge&#8230;.hands down!</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://valleyofthesuns.com/2010/07/12/turkoglu-childress-suns-back-in-mix/comment-page-1/#comment-47404</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jul 2010 00:28:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://valleyofthesuns.com/?p=17900#comment-47404</guid>
		<description>Thanks for taking the time to look up those stats.  I would have thought that Amare&#039;s TRB% would have been a little worse, but the numbers don&#039;t lie.  They do indicate he is an average rebounder for a big (but do average rebounders, and pretty good scorers get max money?).  Another thing that is true is that most significant big men have a TRB% significantly higher than Amare&#039;s.  The problem with Amare isn&#039;t that he&#039;s a terrible rebounder (I actually agree that he is a good rebounder).  The problem is that he has two-rebound duds in the PLAYOFFS.  When things got tough and people actually started fighting for the ball instead of the normal lazy behavior of the regular season, Amare fell flat, when he should have risen to the occasion.

Fyi, Lopez&#039;s TRB% was 14.2% last year, significantly higher than his rookie campaign.  I expect him to get more toward where bigs should be (16-19%) next season, picking up any slack there might be.  I&#039;m not anticipating a huge disparity at all.  But again, I would feel a lot more comfortable with one more big.  PLEASE NOT KURT THOMAS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for taking the time to look up those stats.  I would have thought that Amare&#8217;s TRB% would have been a little worse, but the numbers don&#8217;t lie.  They do indicate he is an average rebounder for a big (but do average rebounders, and pretty good scorers get max money?).  Another thing that is true is that most significant big men have a TRB% significantly higher than Amare&#8217;s.  The problem with Amare isn&#8217;t that he&#8217;s a terrible rebounder (I actually agree that he is a good rebounder).  The problem is that he has two-rebound duds in the PLAYOFFS.  When things got tough and people actually started fighting for the ball instead of the normal lazy behavior of the regular season, Amare fell flat, when he should have risen to the occasion.</p>
<p>Fyi, Lopez&#8217;s TRB% was 14.2% last year, significantly higher than his rookie campaign.  I expect him to get more toward where bigs should be (16-19%) next season, picking up any slack there might be.  I&#8217;m not anticipating a huge disparity at all.  But again, I would feel a lot more comfortable with one more big.  PLEASE NOT KURT THOMAS.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Anon</title>
		<link>http://valleyofthesuns.com/2010/07/12/turkoglu-childress-suns-back-in-mix/comment-page-1/#comment-47401</link>
		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jul 2010 23:56:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://valleyofthesuns.com/?p=17900#comment-47401</guid>
		<description>@Steve - as noted, Amare has 7 consecutive seasons (not counting his aborted 3 game 05-06) of 8+ rebounds per game. The other players added this year have 0 combined. Per 36 minutes, Amare has 6 seasons of 8.8+ RPG. The other players have never topped 7.3 in any single season. Looking at Reb% (which is simply the number fo rebounds vs. available rebounds and thus an even better measure since it accounts for pace and accuracy and playing time), Amare is at 14.7% for his career. Of the other players only Frye has had a single season better than that and that was only one season. Warrick has never topped 12.3% and Turkoglu has never topped 9.8% and that was back in the Sacramento days.

The fact is while Amare wasn&#039;t a great rebounder, he was a good rebounder. Too many fans compare him to all-time greats and say he&#039;s not any good which is false. He is good. (Here&#039;s a shocker - his career reb% is HIGHER than Shawn Marion&#039;s. He just never played as many minutes as Marion so Marion always had higher totals.)

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/stoudam01.html

As for Warrick, he couldn&#039;t beat out Darrell Arthur in Memphis. He LOST his starting job last year to Ersan Ilyasova and Chicago traded for him in a salary dump where he couldn&#039;t start ahead of Taj Gibson &amp; James Johnson (2 rookies) on a team scrapping for a playoff spot. 3 different coaches in about 18 months looked at him and said, &quot;Nah, he&#039;s not the answer.&quot; He&#039;s not a playmaker, not a shotblocker, not a defensive whiz, not a shooter, and as noted not really a good rebounder for a 4. What am I missing?

Unless Lopez really develops into a monster, the Suns are GOING to take a hit on the boards big time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Steve &#8211; as noted, Amare has 7 consecutive seasons (not counting his aborted 3 game 05-06) of 8+ rebounds per game. The other players added this year have 0 combined. Per 36 minutes, Amare has 6 seasons of 8.8+ RPG. The other players have never topped 7.3 in any single season. Looking at Reb% (which is simply the number fo rebounds vs. available rebounds and thus an even better measure since it accounts for pace and accuracy and playing time), Amare is at 14.7% for his career. Of the other players only Frye has had a single season better than that and that was only one season. Warrick has never topped 12.3% and Turkoglu has never topped 9.8% and that was back in the Sacramento days.</p>
<p>The fact is while Amare wasn&#8217;t a great rebounder, he was a good rebounder. Too many fans compare him to all-time greats and say he&#8217;s not any good which is false. He is good. (Here&#8217;s a shocker &#8211; his career reb% is HIGHER than Shawn Marion&#8217;s. He just never played as many minutes as Marion so Marion always had higher totals.)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/stoudam01.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/stoudam01.html</a></p>
<p>As for Warrick, he couldn&#8217;t beat out Darrell Arthur in Memphis. He LOST his starting job last year to Ersan Ilyasova and Chicago traded for him in a salary dump where he couldn&#8217;t start ahead of Taj Gibson &amp; James Johnson (2 rookies) on a team scrapping for a playoff spot. 3 different coaches in about 18 months looked at him and said, &#8220;Nah, he&#8217;s not the answer.&#8221; He&#8217;s not a playmaker, not a shotblocker, not a defensive whiz, not a shooter, and as noted not really a good rebounder for a 4. What am I missing?</p>
<p>Unless Lopez really develops into a monster, the Suns are GOING to take a hit on the boards big time.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://valleyofthesuns.com/2010/07/12/turkoglu-childress-suns-back-in-mix/comment-page-1/#comment-47398</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jul 2010 23:44:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://valleyofthesuns.com/?p=17900#comment-47398</guid>
		<description>I&#039;m sure both of you were doubters last year as well.  

The fact remains, Amare is not a winner.  He&#039;s not ever going to be, unless he happens to luck out and end up playing with one of the true superstars of the league (Bryant, Wade, LeBron, soon to be Durant).  Phoenix wasn&#039;t going to win with Amare.  Anyone who thinks the Suns should have resigned Amare to retain any hope of winning it all would be a worse GM than Thomas.  Amare has had 7 years to bring the &#039;ship to PHX, and he hasn&#039;t done it.  They had the best team in the league two of those years, and they flopped both times.  Last year, they overacheived, but it was no thanks to Amare, who had a fairly lackluster postseason, in which he allowed &quot;lesser&quot; talents to steal the spotlight while he filled up the stat sheet with about 20 points and 6 boards per night (does that sound like a max player to you?).

I get what you guys are saying, but you&#039;re just wrong about the Suns having any shot whatsoever with Amare.  

Whether or not Sarver made the right calls remains to be seen, so why are you so quick to judge when you have no idea what the outcome will be?  They need another big.  I&#039;ll give you that.  But who says they&#039;re done making moves?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure both of you were doubters last year as well.  </p>
<p>The fact remains, Amare is not a winner.  He&#8217;s not ever going to be, unless he happens to luck out and end up playing with one of the true superstars of the league (Bryant, Wade, LeBron, soon to be Durant).  Phoenix wasn&#8217;t going to win with Amare.  Anyone who thinks the Suns should have resigned Amare to retain any hope of winning it all would be a worse GM than Thomas.  Amare has had 7 years to bring the &#8216;ship to PHX, and he hasn&#8217;t done it.  They had the best team in the league two of those years, and they flopped both times.  Last year, they overacheived, but it was no thanks to Amare, who had a fairly lackluster postseason, in which he allowed &#8220;lesser&#8221; talents to steal the spotlight while he filled up the stat sheet with about 20 points and 6 boards per night (does that sound like a max player to you?).</p>
<p>I get what you guys are saying, but you&#8217;re just wrong about the Suns having any shot whatsoever with Amare.  </p>
<p>Whether or not Sarver made the right calls remains to be seen, so why are you so quick to judge when you have no idea what the outcome will be?  They need another big.  I&#8217;ll give you that.  But who says they&#8217;re done making moves?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: ghost of Darko</title>
		<link>http://valleyofthesuns.com/2010/07/12/turkoglu-childress-suns-back-in-mix/comment-page-1/#comment-47395</link>
		<dc:creator>ghost of Darko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jul 2010 23:17:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://valleyofthesuns.com/?p=17900#comment-47395</guid>
		<description>folks here are bashing Anon simply for telling the truth. Sarver&#039;s moves since PHX left the playoffs are simply bizarre. extending Nash is a commitment to contend, so then you must also sign Amare. if you don&#039;t sign Amare or another top flight 4 or 5, it&#039;s over. keep your money in your pocket &amp; start gathering assets for the future. nope...Sarv then goes on a spending spree, clogging the cap with NBA flotsam. too bad he didn&#039;t hire Isiah Thomas as GM - that would have been the perfect finish. Kerr clearly knew it was time to go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>folks here are bashing Anon simply for telling the truth. Sarver&#8217;s moves since PHX left the playoffs are simply bizarre. extending Nash is a commitment to contend, so then you must also sign Amare. if you don&#8217;t sign Amare or another top flight 4 or 5, it&#8217;s over. keep your money in your pocket &amp; start gathering assets for the future. nope&#8230;Sarv then goes on a spending spree, clogging the cap with NBA flotsam. too bad he didn&#8217;t hire Isiah Thomas as GM &#8211; that would have been the perfect finish. Kerr clearly knew it was time to go.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Evan</title>
		<link>http://valleyofthesuns.com/2010/07/12/turkoglu-childress-suns-back-in-mix/comment-page-1/#comment-47394</link>
		<dc:creator>Evan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jul 2010 23:14:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://valleyofthesuns.com/?p=17900#comment-47394</guid>
		<description>With these trades the Suns have 5 small forwards (turk, childress, hill, dudley, and Warrick,) 2 point guards (Nash and Dragic), 1 shooting guard (Richardson) 1 real center (Lopez) 1 unconventional big man (Frye) and a unproven power forward (Clark) What we dont need is another Small forward with Jefferson or Igudalla we need another real big man we should have tried to get Tyson Chandler who would be great in the pick and roll and would give the SUNS a twin towers attack that would effectively counter the Lakers size but that would be logical, rather the suns have gone unconventional with way to many wings and not enough bigs as they always do.  Once again the Suns will be good and fun to watch, but wont win the Championship.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With these trades the Suns have 5 small forwards (turk, childress, hill, dudley, and Warrick,) 2 point guards (Nash and Dragic), 1 shooting guard (Richardson) 1 real center (Lopez) 1 unconventional big man (Frye) and a unproven power forward (Clark) What we dont need is another Small forward with Jefferson or Igudalla we need another real big man we should have tried to get Tyson Chandler who would be great in the pick and roll and would give the SUNS a twin towers attack that would effectively counter the Lakers size but that would be logical, rather the suns have gone unconventional with way to many wings and not enough bigs as they always do.  Once again the Suns will be good and fun to watch, but wont win the Championship.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: joe</title>
		<link>http://valleyofthesuns.com/2010/07/12/turkoglu-childress-suns-back-in-mix/comment-page-1/#comment-47392</link>
		<dc:creator>joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jul 2010 22:43:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://valleyofthesuns.com/?p=17900#comment-47392</guid>
		<description>maybe the suns could releave cleveland of antwan jamison. he would be a good fit for the suns and give them at least some post presense. Anyone know how many years he has left of his contract? If he only has a year or two then it wouldn&#039;t hurt us in the long run and still give us a chance to win now</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>maybe the suns could releave cleveland of antwan jamison. he would be a good fit for the suns and give them at least some post presense. Anyone know how many years he has left of his contract? If he only has a year or two then it wouldn&#8217;t hurt us in the long run and still give us a chance to win now</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>

