Amare Stoudemire trade rumors


While the Suns’ recent TNT slump-busting win against the Mavericks has members of Planet Orange smiling again, Phoenix is still 3-7 in its last 10 games and Amare Stoudemire trade rumors continue to swirl.

Amare has allowed these trade rumors to affect his play as of late, and he is quickly solidifying the notion that he is not a max-contract player in this league and has some serious consistency issues in the rebounding and defense department.

The question of whether or not the Suns should deal Stoudemire is still up in the air, but with every game it becomes more and more apparent that he is on the way out.

While he’s still managed to average 17.6 points during the last five games, he has only corralled 4.2 rebounds per contest during that stretch. He has looked pedestrian in the fourth quarter of games. Is it a coincidence that in the Dallas win STAT sat the entire fourth quarter?

Although I find it hard to believe that the Suns are shopping STAT as so many sources say they are, there is no doubting that if the right deal comes along, Phoenix should pull the trigger.

But what is the right deal?

So many teams have been thrown into the Amare sweepstakes: New Jersey, Chicago, Miami, Minnesota and even San Antonio (Suns fans may never get used to seeing Stoudemire in black and silver).

While GM’s must be salivating over the idea of STAT potentially saving their franchise, only a few of these teams can realistically have a chance at Amare. Not only because of the pieces necessary to get him, but also because of whether or not he would be willing to re-sign before he can opt out after this season.

With a little help from the ESPN Trade Machine, here are three realistic Amare trade scenarios. Keep in mind, with the Suns desperate to get something for Amare rather than letting him walk after this season, they will certainly not be getting full value for STAT.

Trade partner No. 1: New Jersey Nets

Phoenix Suns receive: Terrence Williams, Yi Jianlian, Bobby Simmons’ expiring contract and a 2010 first-round pick (from Mavericks).

New Jersey Nets receive: Amare Stoudemire

The Nets have everything that Phoenix should be eying in an Amare deal: youth, salary cap relief and draft picks.

The most enticing piece in the deal would have to be the rookie swingman Terrence Williams. Williams brings defense, rebounding and playmaking to the Suns. He would reunite with former Cardinals teammate Earl Clark and would undoubtedly thrive in the Suns’ up-tempo system.

T-Will would be a good successor to J-Rich at the shooting guard spot and would make a nice future backcourt duo with Goran Dragic.

The second-best part of the deal would have to be Bobby Simmons’ $11.2 million expiring contract. That cap space, along with not having to worry about showing STAT the money, would make the Suns players in the 2010 free agent market.

Yi is also a nice piece for the Suns. Any seven-footer who can shoot the ball is an asset on any team, especially the Suns.

Since being so highly coveted coming into the 2007 NBA Draft, Yi hasn’t exactly blossomed into the player most had hoped. But he is still only 22 years old, and is averaging 14.3 points and 6.6 boards per game this season. He has a high enough ceiling to take a gamble on at $3.2 million per year.

I highly doubt the Nets would give up the opportunity to land John Wall, so the draft pick would be somewhere in the mid-to-late 20′s. It is kind of just a throw in to the deal, but if the Suns are serious about getting some young talent, any draft pick is a good draft pick.

A young core of Dragic-Williams-Dudley-Yi-Lopez is nothing to laugh at. With the free agents Phoenix would be able to sign, that is a young, defensive-minded, competitive group — something the Suns haven’t had in years.

The biggest thing that makes this trade work is the fact that Stoudemire has expressed interest in New Jersey, and with the potential move to Brooklyn and the potential addition of another big name free agent in 2010, the Nets are certainly a viable option.

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Trade scenario No. 2: Chicago Bulls

Phoenix Suns receive: Kirk Hinrich, Tyrus Thomas, Taj Gibson and Jerome James’ expiring contract

Chicago Bulls receive: Amare Stoudemire, Leandro Barbosa

A Stoudemire-to-Chicago trade has been rumored since the summer time. Chicago is a big enough market for STAT, and the Bulls have the money to re-sign Amare. They have been hurting for a big man for seemingly decades now, and Amare is clearly their guy.

There are a ton of different options with the Bulls, as they can offer some talent along with expiring contracts. In this deal the Suns would add a defensive-minded point/shooting guard in Hinrich, an athletic big man with upside in Thomas, $6.6 million in cap space in James and a rookie big man in Gibson.

Hinrich would be a nice fit in Phoenix, as he could play next to Nash and Dragic. You could make the argument against trading for Hinrich as Dragic is emerging as the point guard of the future and Kirk’s contract isn’t great — $9 million next year and $8 mil in 2011-12.

But he would make up a nice defensive backcourt of the future with Dragic. Both have showed they can excel at the off-gaurd position and play the point, making that backcourt marriage work. The loss of Barbosa wouldn’t sit well with Suns fans, but Hinrich could fill that void — minus the blazing speed — quite easily.

Thomas and Gibson give the Suns some youth and upside down low. Although Thomas’ lack of refined offensive skills and questionable work ethic might deter the Suns, he is clearly a talent. And if he doesn’t work out in Phoenix, the Suns don’t have to re-sign him as his $4.7 million contract ends after this season (he does have a 6.3 mil qualifying offer, though, if the Suns would want to keep him).

Gibson, on the other hand, has been very solid in his rookie season — 8.4 points and 6.6 rebounds per game — and has the intangibles to be a long-tenured pro. James’ $6.6 million dollar expiring contract also doesn’t hurt with the Suns taking on three new players.

STAT is clearly the best player in the deal, but the Suns certainly won’t get full value at this point, and Hinrich, Thomas, Gibson and James’ expiring is as close as it may get.

ESPN Trade Machine

Sleeper trade scenario: Philadelphia 76ers

Phoenix Suns receive: Andre Iguodala and Marreese Speights

Philadephia 76ers receive: Amare Stoudemire

The big ‘if’ surrounding this trade is whether or not STAT would re-sign in Philadelphia. That is certainly up in the air, but both sides have the pieces to make this work.

The Sixers are reportedly shopping Iguodala, and the former Arizona Wildcat is the closest thing to a superstar that the Suns could garner in an Amare deal. It is rumored that Cleveland is making a play for Iguodala, but if the Suns were willing to deal STAT, the Cavs would become an afterthought.

Iguodala is on a fairly lengthy contract — he’s owed over $56 million the next four years — but his athleticism and playmaking ability would give the Suns another perimeter threat outside of Steve Nash.

Phoenix would also get ahold of a young, athletic big man in Speights. The former Florida Gator is averaging 9.8 points and 4.5 rebounds in only his second season in the league and has shown, with four 20-plus-point games this season, that he belongs.

But again, it is fairly unlikely that STAT would re-up with Philadelphia.

ESPN Trade Machine

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  • Ryan

    I don't like the New Jersey trade at all, The Chicago deal is decent and the 76ers deal would be good as well. However, some other trade possibilities I like are Amare for Michael Beasley and Q-Rich's expiring deal. Suns save about 13 million total in that deal. Another decent trade would be Amare for Al Jefferson and Brian Cardinals expiring deal, we would save money and gain a young franchise player but would have to change our temp of play. Another interesting trade would be J-Rich and Amare to the Wiz for Caron Butler, Antwan Jaminson and Mike Miller's expiring deal. Both Antwan and Caron would thrive in Phoenix's up-temp style and save 10 million in shedding Mike Millers contract.

    The only other possibility I see is Amare to GSW for Anthony Randolph, Speedy Claxton's expiring deal and Corey Maggette. We save money, get a nice young piece in Randolph and Maggette who is playing out of his mind and I think would love playing for a contender.

    I just hope we do a trade where we receive some talent back, not just a complete salary dump which we would basically be doing if we traded to Cleveland for a combo of Big Z, JJ Hickson, and a late first round draft pick.

  • J26

    I like the Nets option. Suns have to trade him there now!!!

  • Kyle Fleeger

    Nice trades Michael,
    I posted a couple of trade ideas today as well. I would be willing to give up Amar’e for Simmons, and the Nets #1 for John Wall..

    Would you go John Wall for Amar’e straight up?

  • Abhishek D.V.

    Small correction: Hinrich’s contract is bad, but not as bad as it seems because it’s one of those rare contracts that’s on a decreasing scale.

    2009-10: $9.5 mill
    2010-11: $9.0 mill
    2011-12: $8.0 mill

    Yea, still pretty bad. :)
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    I don’t really like the Bulls/Nets deals though. I’d rather let him walk than commit salary to those pieces.

    Yi and Taj Gibson are currently replacement level players, and have a probable ceiling of 7th man on a championship level rotation.

    The Philly deal is something I’d consider… but only for Speights. I’d actually look for a 3rd team to pawn off Iggy in return for a prospect and/or draft pick.

  • NJ

    “The only other possibility I see is Amare to GSW for Anthony Randolph, Speedy Claxton’s expiring deal and Corey Maggette. We save money, get a nice young piece in Randolph and Maggette who is playing out of his mind and I think would love playing for a contender.”

    I most defintely like this deal, but the Philly deal is quite good too. AI2 is better than most give him cred for, and Speights is a good up and comer.

  • Ted

    Just for starters, my first option is we keep Amar’e, I think that if we could play more solid team D we could be a contender. I think that is hard to argue, but I know that Amar’e is sub-par D player, and that will never change. But I think he is a max player, there are what, 2 guys?, scoring 20 points and rebounding higher than 10. Amar’e can average close to 30 and rebound 8 or 9, to me it is really more of the PF position changing than him not being a max guy.

    All things considered though, I would be ok with the NJ and CHI deals. Whoever said Yi and Taj are “replacement level players”, you are dumb, period. Yi has struggled, but he is tall as a tree and shoots, even if he isn’t amazing now it’s a good time to get him. Taj is a rookie and puting up very impressive numbers, I don’t put a ton of stock in rookie numbers but him and Thomas, with getting Hinrich which i think would be verrrrry good, is a steal.

    From what I have seen, and I think most would agree, Dragic has excelled most at the 2-guard, and Hinrich can easily handle the PG spot, and a combo of the Dragon and Hinrich is formidable.

    The Heat deal isn’t too bad, but there is no way the heat give up B-easy in my opinion.

    To me the best deal lies with the ‘Wolves, in any combination. In my wildest dreams, the Wolves realize that they are top contenders in the John Wall Lottery and are willing to deal Rubio’s rights along with Jefferson or Love for Amar’e. It is a longggg shot, but it is in the realm of possibility. Even though Minny won’t shop Rubio’s rights, they have to face the music o that they easily could land the #1 pick and get John Wall. Which, to me, makes Rubio expendable. I almost wet my pants when I imagined Ricky Rubio in a Suns Uni, with the Dragon starting 2, Earl Clark as 3, someone starting the 4 with Lou backing, and R. Lopez/Frye at center. To me that spell gold, all solid D players that can put up Suns numbers on the other side. And you can not forget the amazing Canadian teaching one of the best young PG to enter the league in years. Like I said, a long shot, but still worth dreaming about if we have to ditch my favorite player in the league in Amar’e

  • Mike

    All bad trades.

    Suns have NO first rounder in 2010. None. We CANNOT and SHOULD NOT get worse. Who cares if Stat leaves? We are better off keeping him this year, and seeing.

    I can’t imagine he opts out anyway. There is no contract I can imagine that is better than the $17 million Amar’e gets form the Suns next year, plus whatever the contract is the year after. Not a single one.

    So, keep him, tell him you love him, and get him playing well again, and kill the trade rumours.

  • Michael Nardi

    honestly, stoudemire would be dumb to leave phx. i’m pretty sure that he knows that if he leaves, he won’t have nash there to feed him and look good. i’m more for getting rid of richardson. although i like the bulls and sixers deals.

  • Jake

    I like the CHI deal. But I don’t think Bulls let Taj Gibson go away.

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  • Geoff

    The nets deal is horrible, Yi is posting numbers as the nets are floundering so he can take shots most teams that he’d be on wouldn’t want him taking, and if all you’re getting back is yi, (which it sort of is) that draft pick better be top 5, which it won’t be.

    The chicago deal is flat out horrible. Hinrich is the only valuable person in that trade, and we give up LB and Amare for him? Thomas hasn’t used any of that potential, and if he hasn’t by now, it’s not going to happen. Gibson, is a maybe. But i can see the bulls wanting it, imagine having cap this summer along with rose and amare already there, and attractive sell to someone like wade.

    The best trade there is the 76′s trade for speights and iggy. That leaves a rotation up front of Frye, Lopez, and Lou, maybe with dudley there also at times? That makes you significantly worse.

  • Jeff

    Yi is probably the worst defensive player I have ever seen in the NBA. No team that hopes to win anything should give him time on the floor.

  • http://slamonline.com tim

    ive been trying to get people to examine this trade for a few weeks. Amar’e and Barbosa to Sacramento for Jason Thompson, Kevin Martin, and Kenny Thomas 8 million dollar expiring deal.

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  • Dave

    If your going to get rid of a guard with Amare, it should be J-Rich. I like either of the Nets or Chicago trades, because with Nash, Yi or Thomas would be considerable better. (Example… Frye, Marion) With Thomas, we would get SHOT BLOCKING!!! I have always said that we need someone like a Camby or Chandler. A big man that is a presence in the middle with the ability to run out on the fast breaks. We would also get Hinrich, who is a very very good defender on the ball (did you see him defend Nash the other day when they played PHX?) Anyway, get rid of J-Rich (in my opinion he hasn’t made the team better).

  • Jordan

    No possible way that the Sixers trade Iggy and Speights. No way. The only reason Iggy’s name has come up is in connection with Dalembert and that can’t happen unless the Suns include Barbosa or somebody else to make the money work.

  • sagar

    hahah screw that trade as a BULLS FAN that trade is slightly unfair especially because of Stoudemire's opt in clause if he was a free agent after the season I'd probably pull the trigger. I wouldn't wanna keep Stoudemire after this season if I can get Dwayne Wade or Chris Bosh. Hinrich should be off limits for the Bulls he is a sick defender and the Suns clearly don't have any interest in defending. How bout John Salmons, Tyrus Thomas, first round pick, and Jerome James (expiring contract) for Stoudemire? I think that would be fair I definitely don't wanna give up Hinrich or Taj both can be solid contributors whether they are starting or coming off the bench.

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  • Dion

    Let’s trade Amare for Gilbert Arenas. He’s a great player and we’re Phoenix. We love guns.

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